If only we had an option that said: "don't tell me if my opponent's moves are conditional (including, of course, adding a random delay so that it would not be obvious)", then sensitive souls need never suffer.
There we go!
If only we had option that said: "don't tell me if my opponent's moves are conditional (including, of course, adding a random delay so that it would not be obvious)", then sensitive souls need never suffer.
There we go!
Also: hide this option from me AFTER I've selected it and deny it ever existed.
If only we had an option that said: "don't tell me if my opponent's moves are conditional (including, of course, adding a random delay so that it would not be obvious)", then sensitive souls need never suffer.
There we go!
Also: hide this option from me AFTER I've selected it and deny it ever existed.
What never existed?
I don't find conditional moves offensive, but I always take at least an extra day to answer them. I am not going to let my opponent set the pace.
CC is outside time (pressure).
1. They speed up games greatly (especially in standard openings and decisive endgames).
2. It is pyschological warefare -- stringing together a long set of conditional moves shows your opponent that YOU are in charge and that you already know what he is thinking and how to stop it.
Agreed. I understand though for people that woul disagree because it is embarrasing to an opponent when their moves are predicted or forced. Almost like your controlling your opponent and your letting them know.
Why would it be embarrasing? I use conditional moves, and am certainly not embarrased when my opponent does. No big deal.
I don't find conditional moves offensive, but I always take at least an extra day to answer them. I am not going to let my opponent set the pace.
WTF? man you guys are the most psyvhologically fragile people I've ever met. Everything offends you. Everything is a psychological shot ment to dominate you. Wow really? you reply a day later to set the pace? wow i'm sure he must be really stung by it.
What an overreaction. Did you forget to take your hormones? The idea is not to sting my opponent but to play at my own pace. He, of course, can play at his own pace and submit conditional moves to his heart's content.
I don't find conditional moves offensive, but I always take at least an extra day to answer them.
The idea is not to sting my opponent but to play at my own pace.
If you take an extra day based on how your opponent made his last move, that's the opposite of playing at your own pace.
If you played at your own pace, you'd always take exactly the time you needed for your next move and not care at all about whether it was a conditional move or not.
I don't find conditional moves offensive, but I always take at least an extra day to answer them.
The idea is not to sting my opponent but to play at my own pace.
If you take an extra day based on how your opponent made his last move, that's the opposite of playing at your own pace.
If you played at your own pace, you'd always take exactly the time you needed for your next move and not care at all about whether it was a conditional move or not.
True indeed.
This is an interesting post. I guess I am not yet a member of the inner society of Chess players and know the codes that go with it, but I would have thought, and still do, that each move you make is a move to win the game. Be it a defensive move, or an aggressive move, each move is calculated to achieve your goal. Win the game. If that is setting one up, to move in the direction you need them to go, I would have thought this would be the exact thing one would want to do. In return, they will be doing the same to me. I know when someone is setting me up, and I can see it, its very rewarding to get out of it, even if the end result is my loosing the game. Its a challenge for me either way, on the receiving end or if I am setting it up.
Maybe I just don’t understand what a conditional move is? Can someone elaborate?
I don't find conditional moves offensive, but I always take at least an extra day to answer them.
The idea is not to sting my opponent but to play at my own pace.
If you take an extra day based on how your opponent made his last move, that's the opposite of playing at your own pace.
If you played at your own pace, you'd always take exactly the time you needed for your next move and not care at all about whether it was a conditional move or not.
^ my point exactly. He gets so butthurt about conditional moves he purposely answers them a day later,defeating the whole purpose of a conditional move (to speed things up). Notice how he specifiacally attacks conditional moves,meaning,had his opponent made a normal reply,he doesn't mind much.
But throw in a conditional and you are waiting 24 hours for him to play a forced recapture,simply because he feels that, if you throw a conditional at him, he is being dominated,so he strikes back by making you wait. In his fragile mind,he is "setting" the pace and fighting back. The reality is he is just weak minded.
Moving at my own pace means (by definition): moving when I am ready to move.
Letting something that you're opponent's done influence when you make your next move means that it's more than just when you're ready. It may be a conscious decision, but perhaps more accurate would be to say that you do it so as not to allow your opponent to dictate the pace of play.
This is an interesting post. I guess I am not yet a member of the inner society of Chess players and know the codes that go with it, but I would have thought, and still do, that each move you make is a move to win the game. Be it a defensive move, or an aggressive move, each move is calculated to achieve your goal. Win the game. If that is setting one up, to move in the direction you need them to go, I would have thought this would be the exact thing one would want to do. In return, they will be doing the same to me. I know when someone is setting me up, and I can see it, its very rewarding to get out of it, even if the end result is my loosing the game. Its a challenge for me either way, on the receiving end or if I am setting it up.
Maybe I just don’t understand what a conditional move is? Can someone elaborate?
To answer Roamingbull's question, a conditional move is a tool in correspondence chess for after you've made your move. Go back to the game and click 'Conditional Moves.' You make a move for your opponent, then a move for yourself. This only comes into effect if your opponent makes that move. Basically, it's setting up an automatic reaction to a particular move -- if that move is made, you respond with a set move.
I don't find conditional moves offensive, but I always take at least an extra day to answer them.
The idea is not to sting my opponent but to play at my own pace.
If you take an extra day based on how your opponent made his last move, that's the opposite of playing at your own pace.
If you played at your own pace, you'd always take exactly the time you needed for your next move and not care at all about whether it was a conditional move or not.
^ my point exactly. He gets so butthurt about conditional moves he purposely answers them a day later,defeating the whole purpose of a conditional move (to speed things up). Notice how he specifiacally attacks conditional moves,meaning,had his opponent made a normal reply,he doesn't mind much.
But throw in a conditional and you are waiting 24 hours for him to play a forced recapture,simply because he feels that, if you throw a conditional at him, he is being dominated,so he strikes back by making you wait. In his fragile mind,he is "setting" the pace and fighting back. The reality is he is just weak minded.
I really don't see anything wrong with conditional moves, seeing as you still have the same amount of time to answer it. In correspondence chess, speeding along play a little bit won't hurt. There is nothing wrong with waiting extra time as long as you still move within the time limit, and there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with that. But please, let's keep this discussion civil.
Letting something that you're opponent's done influence when you make your next move means that it's more than just when you're ready. It may be a conscious decision, but perhaps more accurate would be to say that you do it so as not to allow your opponent to dictate the pace of play.
I would agree with that. The point that I am trying to make is that I don't do it to punish my opponent or force my pace on him. It is important to me that I control the pace of my moves.
Letting something that you're opponent's done influence when you make your next move means that it's more than just when you're ready. It may be a conscious decision, but perhaps more accurate would be to say that you do it so as not to allow your opponent to dictate the pace of play.
I would agree with that. The point that I am trying to make is that I don't do it to punish my opponent or force my pace on him. It is important to me that I control the pace of my moves.
So, if you have only one legal move, you still want to take your time?
I guess that's up to you, although I'd never understand that.
I think perhaps part of the issue is that people can find the experience of triggering a contidtional move a bit unsettling. After all, you hit the submit button and expect that the next page you see is going to be your next game and, surprise, surprise, it turns out to be your move again in the same game. Some people don't like surprises - especially when they're playing chess! :)
Of course, that's more a function of how the website software operates than a "message" from your opponent - unless your opponent is deliberately trying to exploit the phenomenon to upset you. The problem is: how do you tell the difference between someone who is using conditional moves in a genuine effort to accelerate play (something that is generally considered to be good etiquette given the number of people who complain about opponents moving slowly...) and psychological warfare?
For me, I've decided the answer doesn't matter since being startled by a conditional move is really rather trivial in the overall scheme of things. Sometimes a conditional move is just a conditional move. The world is full of enough hostility that unnecessarily adding to it by assuming insult where none may be (and likely is not) intended is just bad karma.
I think perhaps part of the issue is that people can find the experience of triggering a contidtional move a bit unsettling. After all, you hit the submit button and expect that the next page you see is going to be your next game and, surprise, surprise, it turns out to be your move again in the same game. Some people don't like surprises - especially when they're playing chess! :)
Of course, that's more a function of how the website software operates than a "message" from your opponent - unless your opponent is deliberately trying to exploit the phenomenon to upset you. The problem is: how do you tell the difference between someone who is using conditional moves in a genuine effort to accelerate play (something that is generally considered to be good etiquette given the number of people who complain about opponents moving slowly...) and psychological warfare?
For me, I've decided the answer doesn't matter since being startled by a conditional move is really rather trivial in the overall scheme of things. Sometimes a conditional move is just a conditional move. The world is full of enough hostility that unnecessarily adding to it by assuming insult where none may be (and likely is not) intended is just bad karma.
The easy fix for that would be to simply have the games cycle as normal rather than stay on the same game.
If only we had an option that said: "don't tell me if my opponent's moves are conditional (including, of course, adding a random delay so that it would not be obvious)", then sensitive souls need never suffer.