Yes chess is like Jiu Jitsu
Einstein, Buddha, and Elon Musk on Chess as a Waste of Time
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long_quach wrote:
Drawgood wrote:
Actually, it is not wrong to say that "Chess is a waste of time".
It is wrong.
Why do people play chess for so long? Since its creation. Thousands of years ago, since we don't know when exactly.
Thousands of years.
Consider this.
Practicing sword fighting was not a waste of time.
Since . . . I don't know since when. Oh yeah.
Between the time when the Oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed off . . . And humans stole the Secrets of Steel of Crom . . .
After the invention of guns, practicing sword fighting became a waste of time. There are very few "kenjitsu-ka" in modern times.
Why do I have a chess set (20 actually) in my house? And you have a chess set in your house? But nobody has swords in their house? Kitchen knives don't count. Why is that?
Back in the Romeo and Juliet days, everybody was armed, walking around with swords.
Washing clothes with your hands now is a waste of time after the invention of the washing machine.
Walking is a waste of time after the invention of the automobile. We don't walk anymore. It takes forever to walk to work and back. Nobody does it.
But we still play chess, for thousands and thousands of years.
There is something to this game. Something truly immortal.
I think I should agree chess is a waste of time. We all see that in Magnus Carlsen view. He wanted to change the chess rules so badly. The owner of the game from inventing classical chess to Bullet chess. It literally not even smart at all and no intelligence. It just the reflexes. I gain 0 iq from it and it just about 64 squares and all of the squares was played
Jul 15, 2023
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#84
long_quach is simply determined to dig as deep a hole as possible for himself; and every little dirt clod his shovel turns over, is a hill he is prepared to die on.
True
long_quach wrote:
badger_song wrote:
long_quach is simply determined to dig as deep a hole as possible for himself; and every little dirt clod his shovel turns over, is a hill he is prepared to die on.
That's called ad hominem.
Do you have something to say about chess?
Chess is a century lie.
"Chess makes u smarter" I didn't even gain an IQ from it"
Chess is a tool and metaphor for human affairs. I didn't see in realistic terms that humans have to wait for others to respond to their plan 1 by one.
I have experienced it and it is a lie
long_quach wrote:
ChessYarshe wrote:
Chess is a tool and metaphor for human affairs. I didn't see in realistic terms that humans have to wait for others to respond to their plan 1 by one.
Not only it is realistic. It is also smart.
Some times, it is smart to wait for the competition to come up with something new. 9 out 10 it will fail. You let the completion fail for you. So you can pursue a different approach.
Have u ever see the enemy trying to k*ll even have to wait u to respond to their attack for about a amount of seconds like 4 seconds?
In realistic terms means that ur opponent will have multiple attacks on u and one attack u have to wait and thinking to respond. Are humans designed to wait for the opponent to even think and respond? They already have the chance to make the pre-attack and does not allow u to think at all
long_quach wrote:
ChessYarshe wrote:
Have u ever see the enemy trying to k*ll even have to wait u to respond to their attack for about a amount of seconds like 4 seconds?
Yes. Napoleon in Moscow.
They let Napoleon march all the way to Moscow. Settle in Moscow. Then they burn down Moscow.
There is an actual name for that tactic. It is also called "The rope-a-dope."
💀 U probably never learned the realistic terms is. Hope see u get better
Russia did fire at the French at the same time as the French firing at the Russians. It wasn't like French shoot first then Russia 2nd. Hope u get well and understand the context
Ok
I think bro needs an therapy. The video u showed are the fact that the winner having an action to beat him tries to trick him. He still fight against the other in the same time. Not like chess waiting 1 by one. Bro needs an therapy plus needs an common sense
Chess is human not animal. Have u lost ur mind that chess was invented by animals?
Jul 15, 2023
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#94
It is obvious when someone has no interest in actually discussing/exploring a topic. At that point ,one has three options:1) ignore the other person's disingenuousness,2) walk away from the nonsense and go do something enjoyable,or 3) or go full on scorched earth. I usually do (2) because nothing can be said by either party that will result in anything constructive.
long_quach is "one of those people".
long,I don't think you have a good grasp on what an ad hominem attack actually is. Accusations, or even inflammatory language directed at an individual is not an ad hominem attack. Such an attack consists of using a label or language, that is considered derogatory, against a person, in place of a rebuttal, to discredit the target's argument. So, an ad hominem attack attempts to discredit someone's argument, by labeling them with a term that the audience considering the argument considers highly negative---the inflammatory term stands in for a true rebuttal.
Thats clearly not what was going on,so long_quach wasn't using the term ad hominem correctly.I'm not even going to bother addressing any of his other posts,its not neccesary.
Einstein was a pillock. The other two are a bit weird.
Top 5 Health Benefits of Playing Chess
1. Increase Brain Growth
2. Raises our IQ Level
3. Improves Memory
4. Help in Preventing Alzheimer Disease
5. It improves our concentration
How A Negative Attitude Affects Your Health
1. Results In Stress
2. Affects The Heart
3. Affects The Brain
4. Effects Other Organs
5. Affects Longevity
https://healthprep.com/articles/mental-health/negative-attitude-affects-health/
hypocrite -a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings. Why would one post about the evils of playing chess and do the very thing he condemns? Why are you still playing chess on chess.com?
Aug 15, 2023
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#97
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:
and the American Way.
I"m a immigrant. America is a nation of immigrants. I know America. How does a country made up of people from every country in the world work?
Going to school in America, I noticed America likes objective sports. Baseball, basketball, volleyball, whatever ball. I was good in ping-pong.
America do not have a taste for subjective sports. Gymnastics. Figure Skating. Diving. Bodybuilding. Ballet. Where you have subjective judges.
That is how a country of different people work. We need something objective. Ball in basket, ball in end zone, ball on the table or off the table. Something objective that we can count. Something we can all agree on. Something true. Objectively true.
That's the American Way.
Yes.
Aug 17, 2023
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#98
Equating Musk with Einstein or Budda is laughable---not in this universe, Bro!
Nov 17, 2023
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#99
Chess is a game bro. I seriously doubt it was created with some philiosophical message in mind or something like that. It is a game, a great game, played for fun. I think chess is the best game ever, but i don't think it has some deep truth rooted in it.
Actually, it is not wrong to say that "Chess is a waste of time". The problem is with the arguments made in the original post by the post author.
The people cited are people with very different alleged world views. You cannot take the people whose views often diametrically oppose to each other just to take their shared opinion about something and then conclude that this shared opinion is therefore "correct".
Elon Musk has many other crazy opinions and has made many unethical and just immoral statements. If you take his authority, then you have to first somehow show that what he thinks is a universally correct , which somehow enables him to have an opinion on the worth of chess. What do you think Elon Musk thinks about other opinions of Einstein, or about Buddhist teachings? Do you think he agrees with both of them?
If you want to take Einstein's opinion about chess, then also you have to then explicitly say what it is that makes Einstein an authority on chess or on how people are to spend time. His views on spirituality and religion, as far as I know, do not align with any world religions. I think he was by all indications an atheist. Maybe he has made a few statements about God and spirituality, but I don't think he even went to Synagogue most of his life. Also, as I asked about Elon Musk, do you think Einstein would agree with what Buddhists believe and do? Would he approve of meditating and chanting for hours and hours on daily basis?
Buddha? There are many problems with citing Buddha. First of all there is no authoritative text at all about what he has said, which is why there is no "Buddhist Bible". I am fully aware of the texts that are considered to be "accurate" collected teachings of Buddha. But there are many texts alleged to be his teachings that no Buddhists universally agree what "Buddhist" texts are authoritative and which statements are made up by the followers afterward.
A much bigger problem with quoting Buddha and taking his alleged authority on board games has to do with with what I mentioned earlier about the authority of people like Elon Musk or Einstein. If you are going to take The Buddha's alleged statement about playing a board game (which was not chess as it is known today as at the time of Buddha the chess as we know it now did not exist) then you have to take all other alleged teachings of the Buddha at their face value. Do you actually know what , in this case, Tibetan Buddhists, and many non-Tibetan Buddhists outside of the United States and Europe believe? Buddhist teachings actually literally say that Buddha levitated and threw fireballs. They also believe that the world in which we live is a flat disk with 4 continents and one big mountain in the center. I think also that its supported by elephants or something. They also believe in Astrology, which is absolutely debunked by standard scientific method.
Now, of course, I think in reality the Buddhists do NOT believe that the Earth is a round disk that is flat. They cannot argue with science that has proven the earth is a round planet in the center of a solar system. The issue is that there are Buddhists that DO believe that, and that it used to be a core belief of Tibetan Buddhists. I watched videos of people actually saying they believe this version of reality. THe issue is that you are picking and choosing which Buddhist text to believe and which to reject if you do not believe all of it.
That does not mean that chess is not a waste of time. But the argument from dubious authority is not a valid argument. There are actually more rational reasons why chess is a "waste of time" but they are a different discussion that I don't want to go into here.
Also the OP immediately suggests to us what manner of use of time is "useful". He says patronizingly: "So my dear pawn pushers, instead of wasting your time on a glorified board-game, why not meditate on the universe's wonders"
Do I really need to write another paragraph explaining the problems with that recommendation? Maybe the OP is not very familiar with the philosophers of the last 300-400 years. A number of them did exactly that and have not given us any answers they intended to find, but some have actually stated that we should not waste our time trying to think and try to answer universe's unanswerable questions.