Experience VS. Intitution in chess

The Title says it all....

Which do you think is better?

A grandfather who played chess for 50 years (played just with family members and friends, without reading books or joining tournaments...just playing..), or a 17 year old grandson who used online chess lessons for a one year (without knowing anything about chess before (zero Exp.))?

You are the grandfather or grandson in this story of yours i guess

The thing you call intuition is actually coming from experience, there is no magic ability called intuition.. You play and see too many patterns and your brain recognizes and auto-responds them based on your previous experiences.. 

So your question becomes experience vs. experience, which is better? lol

I give the edge to the grandfather

😄...the meaning I sought for "intitution" is (reading books and watching videos that teach chess strategy principles, like controlling the center, developing and casting quickly...things like that....opening lines also....) in that case the grandfather knows none of this...he plays good moves by good sense.....the kid plays with principles....

So it's good old sense VS. Principles 🤔🤔🤔

A lot of factors going on here.

With a one year proper studying, a lot of good habits are quickly cultivated. But I'm pretty sure that one cannot fall to fool's mate every single time after 50 years of playing, correct?

After playing for 50 years, even against weak players, a person would probably be bold enough to make daring moves (otherwise, the 50 years of playing would have been a boring experience). But if the person studying intensively for 1 year adapts quickly, the person could play very decently as well.

There are too many other factors to consider here (including what the young player studies, how well the young player absorbs the knowledge, whether the old player repeats a mistake over and over again, whether the old player's ability to think has declined etc). So, it's probably inconclusive in general.

Having said that, I would personally tend to feel that the 50 years of playing experience can outweigh one complete year of proper studying. This is because I am myself a player drawing experience from losses. I do not study anything, and I play blitz mostly in the past online (I play long controls only over the board) and of course I got walloped again and again until I absorbed the necessary ideas.

P.S. What if some of the family members are grandmasters?

That's quite interesting!....I agree with you mr.eric0022.....it's probably inconclusive....

Alright....time to speak honestly! I am that 17 year old kid...

My grandfather (who is a chess addict, like me...he is (next to my father) actually the best player in the family, or used to be...😁😁) payed my family a visit last year.....then this idea of challenging him at his game popped in my head....he happily agreed, believing he will crush me outright......

I actually beat him 3 times in a row.....and I never saw him play chess again...

Same thing I did with my father....and my little sister....my mother.....my whole family....👹👹👹

Before studying chess online I was the only person in my family that hates chess (yes, I hated the game because I sucked at it....even my little sister was better than me...).....now, I am the only person who loves chess!!😄😄😄

why did you beat your grandpa.. he is old and has not much thing to do.. you are young and have lots of things to enjoy.. you are a bad kiddo :d now go and tell him that you cheated, used your phone.. and make him believe

What is the time control? If the time control is 30/0 or longer, I bet on the Grandfather to win. Shorter time control favor the Grandson.

Well....your are probably right mr.gdzen...I was probably too cruel...it was actually about ego....me beating everyone I know.....it felt good then, but now I feel a bit bad about it.....

Well.....mr.wazir20.....since I beat my father when I had just about your rating....I think that your father is better than mine at chess....you know...chess in India is far more popular than in Egypt....

experienced intuitive calculations.

My apologies, Miss.wazir20...

Mr.SUNDOO....what do you mean?

someone with lots of experience hones his intuition so he knows which moves feel the best... and he calculates those moves!

I understand now, thank you Mr.sundoo...

I was trying to save time in writing,  Ms.wazir20...

this ? is deeply philosophical. empiricism or rationalism ?

Writing all what I have to say in one comment is just an old habit....nothing philosophical in it...😁😁😁

I would strongly argue that experience is better. Firstly, experience LEADS to intuition anyways. Secondly, there are things in chess that can be counterintuitive and only known with experience. Generally, experience will also teach you things like how to clinch a win, play in time trouble, or how to swindle your opponent.

This comes from a 1600 with strong intuition but just 1 year of chess experience, so I am unbiased

Well...my father who knew chess most of his life...doesn't know most chess principles...

Like castling early, not moving the queen too early (he just loves the queen too much...I remember that he resigned one match because I forced a queen trade...and the position was just equal for both of us...), rooks on 7th rank, pawn islands, all tactics whatsoever......but somehow he used to be the undisputed family chess champion.....until I came with my principles.....

you were emu'd