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tyzebug wrote:
SchuBomb wrote:
tyzebug wrote:

Checkers has a much lower game-tree complexity than chess, but that's not to say that there aren't equally fruitful and complex strategies and tactics from a human point of view. Or so I hear, I don't play it much myself.


After all, chess has a much lower game-tree complexity than go, and we're hardly going to admit that chess is less fruitful or complex than go, are we?


Well said. Though I guess for computers, checkers would become pointless first, followed by chess, then go...


 I didn't even know games grew on trees. HA HA.  Actualy, even if they were solved by computers they wouldn't be pointless unless you could solve them yourself.

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woodshover wrote:
ElDude56 wrote:

As far as I am aware, computers have played out all the possible moves on the checkers board - it is therefore a dead game.


 Just because a computer has all the possible moves worked out doesn't mean the players do. So it's only dead for the computers not the people.


 So true. Although many are meaningless there are 500,000,000,000,000,000,000 posible checkers moves. That's Five hundred billion BILLION. The universe is nowhere near that many seconds old.

waffllemaster

Yeah, I knew checkers had GMs and international tournaments and all that :)

Glad to see some rational posts about how checkers is still a complex and fruitful game.

I tried a few checkers games once on Yahoo and was crushed so bad.  I didn't win one game and was playing the crappy people too Tongue out.  I did start to realize that protecting your back rank was important (so good for me!) I didn't realize the same could be said about the sides though, interesting.

Tyzer

Incidentally, checkers is not strongly solved yet - the database is always able to draw or win from the starting position, but it is not able to do so from all arbitrary positions. (I.e. only positions reachable with perfect play from one side and arbitrary play from the other side have been collated in the database.) So it's technically not correct to say that computers have played out all possible moves in checkers.

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Tyzer wrote:

Incidentally, checkers is not strongly solved yet - the database is always able to draw or win from the starting position, but it is not able to do so from all arbitrary positions. (I.e. only positions reachable with perfect play from one side and arbitrary play from the other side have been collated in the database.) So it's technically not correct to say that computers have played out all possible moves in checkers.


 I thought it had been.