How common are draws in Chess960?

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RenegadeChessist

Just curious. Does anyone know?

I love traditional chess, but if 960 has far fewer draws, maybe Fischer had a point. . .

efrenreyes420

Aronian lost to Nakamura in a dozen moves or so in 960 during their chess.com blitz battle.  A similar thing happened to Carlsen against Naka.  When players are forced to think for themselves the game is WAAAAAAY more interesting.  Not saying 960 is the only answer but hopefully people start trending toward new chess variants because traditional chess, as much as I love it, is getting pretty stale.  Fischer definitely had a point, people are just stubborn and don't want to admit it.

MASS_ATTACKER

Maybe people will solve the 6719 openings it has to offer, I dunno

But to be honest, I think the whole game will be based upon who is the better player and without any other factor, it would be kinda boring.

Pulpofeira

You mean, Bronstein had a point.

RenegadeChessist
MASS_ATTACKER wrote:

But to be honest, I think the whole game will be based upon who is the better player and without any other factor, it would be kinda boring.

Hmm, interesting. So you're saying that since "the better man" always wins, that would make it boring?

urk
I've had a few endgames so far out of about 20 games of 960 and the games have been generally more tame than I expected, not too wild. But you never know what can happen!
Castling is usually a big strategic question...
Cherub_Enjel

I don't think I've had a draw yet in like the 30 live 960 games I've played - either win or lose (or time my opponent's out tongue.png). They were all 3 minutes though. 

 

I actually find that, with good players, 960 quickly converges to "regular" chess - both sides will simply optimize their piece activity in accordance to the pawn structures, and these configurations are all typically seen in some opening in normal chess. 

 

If you want to see some great 960 games, check out the games of "NoWuss2", who I think almost exclusively plays 960.

urk
Yeah, I think he's #1.
Supposedly I'm already in the global top 1000, for whatever that's worth. Trying to break 2000 with it...
universityofpawns

yeah, I found the same thing, the endgame in 960 is usually not distinguishable from a regular chess game....and the openings can't be memorized....I like it, as an endgame player, I seem to usually have an advantage, may end up being my specialty, but need to play more games to see.

urk
A recent 960 game of mine looked just like a symmetrical QGD, at least as far as the pawn structure, because we both decided that that appeared to be the optimal way to develop. So I had to look for a way to break the symmetry favorably.
ESP-918

My opinion about 960 is that :

It's more of a tactical game and less of a strategy, more like Xiangqi (chinese chess). Overall I like it, but still I prefer original.

Like in any war you need to think first, plan, strategize and only then attack, 960 and Xiangqi more of its happened your enemies is here now, fight!

Also draws are important, as in any fight or war you can resolve conflict without entering in it, that's the beauty of classical chess.

Cherub_Enjel

This gives me the opportunity to share this wink.png

My win against the FM in 960, when he got a probably winning endgame, but blundered a fork in time pressure. Highly flawed game though, imo. 

 

urk

You beat the world #1 in his specialty, awesome! 

3 minute game, was it?

That's crazy!

Cherub_Enjel

I wouldn't say he's #1 - maybe #1 for the highly established live960 players (eg players who've played enough live 960 games to not have an inflated rating - which I currently do have for sure). Pretty sure Hikaru is world #1 in 960 in terms of skill. 

I'm just happy a beat an FM who specializes in 960 though! 

Cherub_Enjel

All you have to do in 3+0 960 is take hanging pieces... lol 



jasonarthurtaylor

The regular chess the draw rate is a strong function of ELO, but in reviewing a million games of top computer engines they found a draw rate of 28.8%. By comparison, for Chess960 it was 21.9%. However, this is for elos above 4000 or so.  For normal people, this small difference would translate to a very low draw rate in Chess960 depending on how much time is available. http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404FRC/rating_list_all.html