how do i find "the fun" in chess again

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One of the main reasons why i joined chess was because i saw all these crazy openings where anyone could win and i saw all those sharp fischer and kasparov games and i wanted to have those experiances too.

then i build myself to about 1900 on the thought that i would eventually get people who would play a open sicilian, who would play ruy lopez lines, who would play crazy gambits with a crazy game ahead. but that never happened, most people i play spam the bowdler attack agianst the sicilian, dont even play 2.c4 in d4 openings and instead go for boring d4 systems, and always try to go for poor traps. and i got so tired of this. so i lost motivation because the hope was gone, i dropped to 1300. and now i want to know if anyone else had anything like this? i want to get over this sad realization and i want to get better agian and enjoy my games.

what do i do?

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That level (1900) is probably still too low for players to seriously study complex openings ; as far as I understand, up that level and beyond many prefer to rely on systems and opening lines that are easy to employ, and focus entirely on tactics. I too, in my own small way, wanted to play Sicilian, Benoni (!!), King's Indian... but I soon resigned myself to always playing the usual ones suited to my level ( Italian, Scotch, Philidor, Two Knight, Four Knight , Five Knights ... ). But I still have fun. In the end, chess is always interesting regardless of openings and playing style.

I'm afraid you'll have to level up a lot to meet a suitable number of players who play the way you prefer.

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same here, lost all the fun, even at my low level the moment you start trying new lines and stuff you get instantly obliterated and it is always the same london, bishop opening and whatever is currently trending on gothams channel, no creative chess, bone dry theory game after game with little mistakes and inaccuracies, no idea how gms stick to this game for so long, guess it is because of the money involved

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i think what brought most of us people to becoming chess players is the sharp, crazy games of fisher,morphy, kasparov, magnus, etc. and all the sharp openings that chess has to offter that are so fun.

then you get hit with the hard,cold reality of how most players here just play chess because everyone else is. my games even at a higher lever were flodded with the london system, colle system, bishops opening, closed italian, vienna game,or some made up thing thats just dumb

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Leetsak wrote:

same here, lost all the fun, even at my low level the moment you start trying new lines and stuff you get instantly obliterated and it is always the same london, bishop opening and whatever is currently trending on gothams channel, no creative chess, bone dry theory game after game with little mistakes and inaccuracies, no idea how gms stick to this game for so long, guess it is because of the money involved

i would love playing chess on here if i didnt get the same boring openings that everyone else plays, out of hundreds of games on chess.com / lichess only a couple dozen have been an open sicilian, queens gambit, true benonis, true grunfelds, actual ruy lopez lines, semi slavs, etc..

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it is also quite tiresome at low levels and the accuracy people are playing at, you got 1-2 mistakes max with couple of inaccuricies, i mean i'm 1000 and a make loads of mistakes and inaccurices cause i try stuff miscalculate and so on, this however cant be said about my opponents i play, im on a massive losing streak and it is like playing magnus carlsen himself, every now and then you get an opponent that plays lika human takes time to think and makes mistakes in crucial positions etc, but most of time times you are paired wiht someone who has played 10k games and it is no chance, feels like playing robots

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Leetsak wrote:

it is also quite tiresome at low levels and the accuracy people are playing at, you got 1-2 mistakes max with couple of inaccuricies, i mean i'm 1000 and a make loads of mistakes and inaccurices cause i try stuff miscalculate and so on, this however cant be said about my opponents i play, im on a massive losing streak and it is like playing magnus carlsen himself, every now and then you get an opponent that plays lika human takes time to think and makes mistakes in crucial positions etc, but most of time times you are paired wiht someone who has played 10k games and it is no chance, feels like playing robots

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Okay, I’m going to be different here. I am a very low rated player that wishes I were better. Realistically, I’m not going put the tremendous amount of effort into the study necessary to improve to any great degree. However, the positive aspect is that I still enjoy the game and wouldn’t recognize 99% percent of the openings tossed about by the higher rateds let alone know how to counter them. Blissful Ignorance is my opening repertoire I suppose. I hope you can regain the joy of the game and find the intriguing games you seek.

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AngryPuffer ha scritto:

i think what brought most of us people to becoming chess players is the sharp, crazy games of fisher,morphy, kasparov, magnus, etc.

I know. I wanted to play like Anderssen, imagine what...!

Unfortunately you can't choose for your opponent either, who will play as he wants. It's a two-person game, we have to adapt.

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Hoffmann713 wrote:
AngryPuffer ha scritto:

i think what brought most of us people to becoming chess players is the sharp, crazy games of fisher,morphy, kasparov, magnus, etc.

I know. I wanted to play like Anderssen, imagine what...!

Unfortunately you can't choose for your opponent either, who will play as he wants. It's a two-person game, we have to adapt.

this is literally my average opponent playing the first 10 moves

Avatar of AngryPuffer

yeah i guess

but sometimes i really feel like im missing out on all the fun openings that are sharp, complicated, and unbalanced. seeing higher level players getting all these options then me having to sit and deal with another closed sicilian, colle system, alapin, etc..

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Play varients?

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Until you reach ~2100+ don't worry too much about deep opening theory. Follow opening principles, think for yourself, and figure out when you deviate.

When you get to 2100+ you'll have plenty of experience to understand what factors of an opening suit your play style best and then you can use data from opening databases to figure out the best strategies to give you long term advantages with your play style in tact.

But if you want to play serious chess, just play against AI knowing you'll be crushed more often but you'll learn hard lessons faster.

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I used to play speed chess against this master at a chess club that I used to go to. through the course of an evening, we would play every variation of the KID. the classical, the Saemich, the Averbahk, and etc. etc. I could win 3 out of 10 games. He said to me once, your opening knowledge is pretty strong. you must win a lot of games against lower rated players. And I said no, not really, because I never get these positions.

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Dumbluck626 wrote:

Until you reach ~2100+ don't worry too much about deep opening theory. Follow opening principles, think for yourself, and figure out when you deviate.

When you get to 2100+ you'll have plenty of experience to understand what factors of an opening suit your play style best and then you can use data from opening databases to figure out the best strategies to give you long term advantages with your play style in tact.

But if you want to play serious chess, just play against AI knowing you'll be crushed more often but you'll learn hard lessons faster.

this is misleading and far from the truth, because, im 1000 as stated and most of my games are lost right out of the opening, the level of opening knowledge of 1000 rated players on this site is astonishing

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you don't. 
You either enjoy it or you don't.

You can't make yourself enjoy something.

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I can't believe that at 1900 nobody plays the open sicilians and nothing but Bowdler attack.

I do get a lot of opponent's playing the Bowdler but also now people playing the open sicilian. Its close to 50/50, and im only 1150.

However, are those players cheating by using the opening book for the first few moves, I'm not sure, their opening knowledge is still very superificial, but you do get into the open sicilian positions.

It's the same for Queen's Gambit games. There are a bunch of people who must not study opening theory at all and so play the Marshall Defence (similar to the Bowdler for white in the siciian - both are objectively bad ways to play against the sicilian or queens gambit) but then there are also people who play the slav or QGD or even Nimzo against the queens gambit when I play it at my level, the theory lasts only a few moves but again you get into the standard position before oen of us starts playing a few innacuracies.

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kippuss wrote:

I can't believe that at 1900 nobody plays the open sicilians and nothing but Bowdler attack.

I do get a lot of opponent's playing the Bowdler but also now people playing the open sicilian. Its close to 50/50, and im only 1150.

However, are those players cheating by using the opening book for the first few moves, I'm not sure, their opening knowledge is still very superificial, but you do get into the open sicilian positions.

It's the same for Queen's Gambit games. There are a bunch of people who must not study opening theory at all and so play the Marshall Defence (similar to the Bowdler for white in the siciian - both are objectively bad ways to play against the sicilian or queens gambit) but then there are also people who play the slav or QGD or even Nimzo against the queens gambit when I play it at my level, the theory lasts only a few moves but again you get into the standard position before oen of us starts playing a few innacuracies.

yeah i get people in blitz playing a main line for 10 moves then suddenly playing like total dogsht as if they werent playing like a GM a move ago

but i also think people at these levels are just tryna annoying you. like why would you even want to miss out on the fun of chess and instead reherse your system opening again

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Soniasthetics wrote:

you don't. 
You either enjoy it or you don't.

You can't make yourself enjoy something.

you obviously did not read what i said

i said that im getting very tired of the same openings from my oppoment as black that are slow, boring and equal compared to other openings which make chess much more enjoyable

you also seem to just spam that one QGD system that people here alot play with Nc3-Bf4-e3-Nf3-Bd3

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Black's job is to equalise as fast as possible, and playing in a way that allows you little attacking chances can be very effective. Learn the common and natural moves and how to create chances against them. If your opponents are playing the same old systems and move orders against you then that cuts down on how much you need to know in order to counter your opponents.