AndyClifton wrote:
So... if it wasn't Hegel... then who DID say this? Nietzsche? Me?
No, it was me!
I feel that I deserve a higher rating
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antonreiser wrote:
TheBigDecline wrote:
antonreiser wrote:
der Gewißheit seiner selbst
blueemu wrote:
FN_Perfect_Idiot wrote:
We all define our own luck...thats my point. Define..NOT decide.
Men make their own destiny, but they do not make it just as they wish.
- Is that Hegel?
no, not Hegel, a mistake; just to focus the debate, Hegel is this:
Phänomenologie des Geistes Die Wahrheitder Gewißheit seiner selbst
In den bisherigen Weisen der Gewißheit ist dem Bewußtsein das Wahre etwas anderes als es selbst. Der Begriff dieses Wahren verschwindet aber in der Erfahrung von ihm; wie der Gegenstand unmittelbar an sich war, das Seiende der sinnlichen Gewißheit, das konkrete Ding der Wahrnehmung, die Kraft des Verstandes, so erweist er sich vielmehr nicht in Wahrheit zu sein, sondern dies An-sich ergibt sich als eine Weise, wie er nur für ein Anderes ist; der Begriff von ihm hebt sich an dem wirklichen Gegenstande auf, oder die erste unmittelbare Vorstellung in der Erfahrung, und die Gewißheit ging in der Wahrheit verloren. Nunmehr aber ist dies entstanden, was in diesen frühern Verhältnissen nicht zustande kam, nämlich eine Gewißheit, welche ihrer Wahrheit gleich ist, denn die Gewißheit ist sich selbst ihr Gegenstand, und das Bewußtsein ist sich selbst das Wahre. Es ist darin zwar auch ein Anderssein; das Bewußtsein unterscheidet nämlich, aber ein solches, das für es zugleich ein nicht Unterschiedenes ist. Nennen wir Begriff die Bewegung des Wissens, den Gegenstand aber, das Wissen als ruhige Einheit, oder als Ich, so sehen wir, daß nicht nur für uns, sondern für das Wissen selbst der Gegenstand dem Begriffe entspricht. – Oder auf die andere Weise, den Begriff das genannt, was der Gegenstand an sich ist, den Gegenstand aber das, was er als Gegenstand, oder für ein Anderes ist, so erhellt, daß das An-sich-sein und das Für-ein-anderes-sein dasselbe ist; denn das An-sich ist das Bewußtsein; es ist aber ebenso dasjenige, für welches ein anderes (das An-sich) ist; und es ist für es, daß das An-sich des Gegenstandes und das Sein desselben für ein Anderes dasselbe ist; Ich ist der Inhalt der Beziehung und das Beziehen selbst; es ist es selbst gegen ein Anderes, und greift zugleich über dies Andre über, das für es ebenso nur es selbst ist.
well i admit it looks similar, but it is not.
..and no, not Heidegger either.
What a load of bull crap ...
oh no sir!, just another silly mistake. that was NOT written by a bull or goat, it was written by George Wilheim Friedich Hegel himself! Bulls are not so deft at writing 1200 pages of pulp fiction as the always witty, funny, charming Mr Dingdong Hegel. (glad to clarify this point)
People who write such convoluted hogwash might live on a whole different plain of reality than I do, but they still don't get their point across. I couldn't go beyond the third sentence without seriously questioning the author's sanity. Not saying I disagree with any of his statements, I frankly don't understand them!
I'm pretty sure Der Bergriff was in Alice in Wonderland.
AndyClifton wrote:
I'm pretty sure Der Bergriff was in Alice in Wonderland.
Der Begriff = the notion; term
Das Bergriff (what you wrote, Andy) = the mountain gorge
Our language is prone to be a little bit confusing that way ...
See, I knew it was in Alice in Wonderland!
...as Hegel nicely put it " the mountain gorge sniffss at rusty, old parachutes"..beautifull ! (thanks Andy!! for bringing back to general public atention such delightfull fragments of past wisdom and heavenly poetry...a shame some people seem unable to fully apreciate it..
blueemu wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Men make their own destiny, but they do not make it just as they wish.
So... if it wasn't Hegel... then who DID say this? Nietzsche? Me?
Wikipedia and Wikiquote use the quote "Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past." from The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon (or Louis Bonaparte) by Karl Marx.
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I do wonder what people think my rating ought to be. If you could give me a rating based upon my "insights" (see immortal game thread), how far up there would it be?
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TBentley wrote:
blueemu wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Men make their own destiny, but they do not make it just as they wish.
So... if it wasn't Hegel... then who DID say this? Nietzsche? Me?
Wikipedia and Wikiquote use the quote "Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past." from The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon (or Louis Bonaparte) by Karl Marx.
I liked his brother Groucho more. Marx attributes several of his other quotes to Hegel... such as the one about every great historical event occuring twice; the first time as a tragedy, the second time as a farce... so I might be onto something after all.
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FN_Perfect_Idiot wrote:
I do wonder what people think my rating ought to be. If you could give me a rating based upon my "insights" (see immortal game thread), how far up there would it be?
Obsessing over rating is counter-productive. A high rating won't help you play better chess... it's exactly the other way around. Playing better chess will improve your rating.
FN_Perfect_Idiot wrote:
I do wonder what people think my rating ought to be. If you could give me a rating based upon my "insights" (see immortal game thread), how far up there would it be?
600. But you're still very better at Online Chess, so maybe shorter time controls aren't your thang.
blueemu wrote:
A high rating won't help you play better chess... it's exactly the other way around.
What ?! So people lied to me all the time !
Ok, I will work more on learning by heart some lines of a subvariation of some opening I learnt in a very expensive book.
What is the big deal if you have a high or low ranking?! Chess is a lovely game....enjoy it, leaning takes time
Annabella1 wrote:
What is the big deal if you have a high or low ranking?! Chess is a lovely game....enjoy it, learning takes time
This!
This is chess Not in romper room. If you want points for effort go pan-handle. I am sure that someone will throw you some spare change points.
Good idea, you want to be rated 2000...I try hard so I think I should be rated...How about 3000.
TBentley wrote:
"Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past."
Wow. That's deep.
Men make their own destiny, but they do not make it just as they wish.
So... if it wasn't Hegel... then who DID say this? Nietzsche? Me?