If God played chess

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rowsweep

If God played a game chess against God.  Which side would win?  White gets the first move but Blacks gets to determine how He wants to suffer. 

If the game would be a draw, then is this where we are going with all these stronger chess engines.  Is chess finally going to be solved where we will know what moves would make up the perfect game?

justus_jep

If God played chess he would sack one of his pwans and after it is captured he will put it back on the board saying that the pwan has come back to life. 

Then everyone will start worshiping the Pwan. Some people argue the Pwan is actually a minor piece while some heretics say it was an illegal move. No scoresheet was found so nobody can prove anything.

shell_knight
justus_jep wrote:

If God played chess he would sack one of his pwans and after it is captured he will put it back on the board saying that the pwan has come back to life. 

Then everyone will start worshiping the Pwan. Some people argue the Pwan is actually a minor piece while some heretics say it was an illegal move. No scoresheet was found so nobody can prove anything.

lol, good one.

shell_knight
rowsweep wrote:

If God played a game chess against God.  Which side would win?  White gets the first move but Blacks gets to determine how He wants to suffer. 

If the game would be a draw, then is this where we are going with all these stronger chess engines.  Is chess finally going to be solved where we will know what moves would make up the perfect game?

Chess has long thought to be a draw with best play.

Looking at top human games as well as computer games, yes, as players get stronger there tend to be more draws.  And while the "draw death" of chess was feared 100 years ago, GMs keep finding dynamic ways to play.  Ongoing super tournament in St Louis shows chess is alive and well.

And although engines get stronger every year, they're still programmed by humans and still rely on deep searches.  So things like mis-evaluations and search horizon permanently block them from making the leap from stronger than humans to perfect play.

As for knowing the moves to a perfect game, it would not be a single game of course.  Nearly infinitely simpler technical positions e.g. Rook and pawn vs rook have many variations that draw.  If all of chess positions are known and cataloged there should be an astronomically large number of perfect games.

Dirtalot

God would win....

Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock! - Psalm 137:9

This means hes gonna go after your pawns early on.....maybe in the form of a fried liver attack on F7

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet- Timothy 2:12


He will try and get the queens of the board as soon as he can

And I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and their daughters, and everyone shall eat the flesh of his neighbor in the siege and in the distress, with which their enemies and those who seek their life afflict them. - 

Jeremiah 19:9


God will not be afraid to sac a piece in order to gain a postional advantage!

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.-Deuteronomy 22:28-29

 If god leaves his queen hanging.........don't take it,it's a trap! you will be stuck with his queen for the rest of you life!

 


Tytsch

Yep Jahweh would just go after you crazily the Tal style.

"the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought"



Jesus is all about quiet positional chess though:

"Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day."

He will not launch a crazy attack that looks good but is losing:

"For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and everyone who humbles himself will be exalted."

He would give up a pawn or two for a better position:

"Give to everyone who begs from you"

And finish you off in the endgame with just a couple of pieces left on the board:

"I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

Ziggy_Zugzwang
rowsweep wrote:

If God played a game chess against God.  Which side would win?  White gets the first move but Blacks gets to determine how He wants to suffer. 

If the game would be a draw, then is this where we are going with all these stronger chess engines.  Is chess finally going to be solved where we will know what moves would make up the perfect game?

You could argue that God does play himself at chess via his human articulates  (viz us) and  through it,  and engaging in many other things - including stamp collecting and genocide - experiences individual existence

shell_knight

I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I take vengeance on them.

God is a sore loser.

Dirtalot

"I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of  your children." (Leviticus 26:22)

God will most likely try and use its knights to fork  you

awesomechess1729
Ziggy_Zugzwang wrote:
rowsweep wrote:

If God played a game chess against God.  Which side would win?  White gets the first move but Blacks gets to determine how He wants to suffer. 

If the game would be a draw, then is this where we are going with all these stronger chess engines.  Is chess finally going to be solved where we will know what moves would make up the perfect game?

You could argue that God does play himself at chess via his human articulates  (viz us) and  through it,  and engaging in many other things - including stamp collecting and genocide - experiences individual existence. 

So then the whole world is a chess game and there is no free will?

TheGreatOogieBoogie
Dirtalot wrote:

God would win....

Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock! - Psalm 137:9

This means hes gonna go after your pawns early on.....maybe in the form of a fried liver attack on F7

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet- Timothy 2:12


He will try and get the queens of the board as soon as he can

And I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and their daughters, and everyone shall eat the flesh of his neighbor in the siege and in the distress, with which their enemies and those who seek their life afflict them. - 

Jeremiah 19:9


God will not be afraid to sac a piece in order to gain a postional advantage!

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.-Deuteronomy 22:28-29

 If god leaves his queen hanging.........don't take it,it's a trap! you will be stuck with his queen for the rest of you life!

 


So much for God being against baby killing!  Wait, not actual babies just fetuses. 

FES314

I will tell you what would happen!

The Devil would tableflip to mess with their minds :D

Ziggy_Zugzwang
awesomechess1729 wrote:
Ziggy_Zugzwang wrote:
rowsweep wrote:

If God played a game chess against God.  Which side would win?  White gets the first move but Blacks gets to determine how He wants to suffer. 

If the game would be a draw, then is this where we are going with all these stronger chess engines.  Is chess finally going to be solved where we will know what moves would make up the perfect game?

You could argue that God does play himself at chess via his human articulates  (viz us) and  through it,  and engaging in many other things - including stamp collecting and genocide - experiences individual existence. 

So then the whole world is a chess game and there is no free will?

Free will or not is interesting. It's been said that if you "believe" you have free will then you have "free will". I think the Christian narrative mentions this idea of God creating mankind and giving him free will. There is a Vedic story of the other jealous gods hiding man's godhood where he can't find it ....inside himself ! Smile

Dirtalot

"So much for God being against baby killing!  Wait, not actual babies just fetuses." 

Many versions of the bible use the word baby,some of them use infants, non of them as far as i'm aware use the word fetuses! even so...that makes it ok then!Cool

DrSpudnik

Lordy! Lordy!

I'm a-gonna git my tamborine and start rollin' on the floor!

TheGreatOogieBoogie
Dirtalot wrote:

"So much for God being against baby killing!  Wait, not actual babies just fetuses." 

Many versions of the bible use the word baby,some of them use infants, non of them as far as i'm aware use the word fetuses! even so...that makes it ok then!

I'm just making fun of anti-choice people who say, "God hates baby killing!" and dishonestly use the word baby yet God ordered the murdering of actual babies in the Bible. 

Dirtalot
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

I'm just making fun of anti-choice people who say, "God hates baby killing!" and dishonestly use the word baby yet God ordered the murdering of actual babies in the Bible. 

Now i understand! very true.

shell_knight
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:
Dirtalot wrote:

"So much for God being against baby killing!  Wait, not actual babies just fetuses." 

Many versions of the bible use the word baby,some of them use infants, non of them as far as i'm aware use the word fetuses! even so...that makes it ok then!

I'm just making fun of anti-choice people who say, "God hates baby killing!" and dishonestly use the word baby yet God ordered the murdering of actual babies in the Bible. 

Not only ordered it, but carried it out himself.

So many character flaws you have to wonder if maybe... naa, couldn't be.

ghostofmaroczy
rowsweep wrote:

If the game would be a draw, then is this where we are going with all these stronger chess engines.  Is chess finally going to be solved where we will know what moves would make up the perfect game?

If the game were certain to be a draw because of flawless play, then White could play any move for move 1.

shell_knight
ghostofmaroczy wrote:
rowsweep wrote:

If the game would be a draw, then is this where we are going with all these stronger chess engines.  Is chess finally going to be solved where we will know what moves would make up the perfect game?

If the game were certain to be a draw because of flawless play, then White could play any move for move 1.

Being a tempo behind and still being able to draw (your premise for black)

isn't the same as

Playing the worst 1st move and still being able to draw (your conclusion for white)