Is blitz counter-productive?

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Avatar of ParekhAbhishekN

Yeah friends old question, Is blitz counter-productive? Is blitz not useful in improving chess(except trying new opening.)?

Avatar of BillytheKid9

i dont think so, but like i said in another forum, a 1 min game when u dont even have time to move the pieces is just crazy.

Avatar of Rasparovov

10 min games is still blitz right? Cus then you might improve a little. 
But if we're talking 5/3 minute games you will only improve in fast time controls.
Say you are a 100 meters runner. If you keep running 100 meter you will get faster and faster.
But if you try to improve your speed when running distances like 42km you wont improve much by running 100 meters at full speed alot. 

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Rasparovov wrote:

10 min games is still blitz right? Cus then you might improve a little. 
But if we're talking 5/3 minute games you will only improve in fast time controls.
Say you are a 100 meters runner. If you keep running 100 meter you will get faster and faster.
But if you try to improve your speed when running distances like 42km you wont improve much by running 100 meters at full speed alot. 

I think your analogy might need a little work... If anything, the conditioning you recieve from the 100 meter dashes will help in 42km distances, but it willing not help in pacing.

Likewise, blitz chess can help your long game by practicing principles that both long and short games share (openings, tactics, strategy, planning). But like running, playing blitz won't help you with pacing when it comes to long games (time spent per move).

I haven't met a strong player (2000+) yet who does not like blitz. 

Avatar of atarw

If blitz doesnt help, i've wasted my entire chess career

Avatar of azziralc

Blitz chess is improving your calculations, and tactics in time pressure. Play Blitz before a tournament as a warm up and this helps your brain to function fast even in the Long time control games. However, Blitz is full of tactics and we all know that we need tactics to support our strategy in chess game.

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DaBigOne wrote:

If blitz doesnt help, i've wasted my entire chess career

Why is that? Do you just play Blitz chess?

Avatar of Kaluki

I just think some people have the impression that blitz activates a "cheapo mode" in all who play it, which simply isn't true. If you play your blitz games with the same principles that you use in your long games, you're going to improve off of it.

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nyLsel wrote:
DaBigOne wrote:

If blitz doesnt help, i've wasted my entire chess career

Why is that? Do you just play Blitz chess?

Mostly, on chess.com, i play 80% blitz, 5% standard, and 15% online chess

Avatar of stanhope13

Blitz isn,t chess, its beat the clock.

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nyLsel wrote:

Blitz chess is improving your calculations, and tactics in time pressure. Play Blitz before a tournament as a warm up and this helps your brain to function fast even in the Long time control games.

blitz after a bad OTB game can get your brain out of depression

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stanhope13 wrote:

Blitz isn,t chess, its beat the clock.

Depends on the time control, 1 min, ur right, but 5 min is ok

Avatar of Berder

I like 2 12 blitz or 5 12 blitz.  It's still a rapid game but you aren't scrambling for time.  You always get that extra 12 seconds per move so you can finish your games (takes the edge off of time trouble).

I do better with longer time controls.  I like being able to assess the position until I'm pretty confident my move is good.  In faster games you constantly have to make a move without proper consideration which isn't a good habit.  I think it builds better habits to play chess where both players make good moves, which happens more often in longer games.

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As I said, I think it builds better habits to play chess where both players make good moves, which happens more often in longer games.

Avatar of ParekhAbhishekN

Thank you friends for your answeres but my question is do playing too many  blitz (and bullet) develops bad habits, (e.g. playing too fast , not looking for aleternative moves etc.) in player?

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ParekhAbhishekN wrote:

Thank you friends for your answeres but my question is do playing too many  blitz (and bullet) develops bad habits, (e.g. playing too fast , not looking for aleternative moves etc.) in player?

You've played 2000+ games of Blitz, Bullet, and Standard Chess, combined.

Surely you have figured out the right answer for yourself by now?

If not, it's time to change your medication.

Avatar of waffllemaster

Counter productive to what?  If your aim is to get better at chess in general, then I would say blitz is counter productive because you don't have enough time to do anything close to serious analysis.  If you never practice a skill, it never gets any better, and analytic skill (calculation, evaluation, and compare evaluations) is far and away the most important skill for players under, say, 2000 USCF equivalent.  (Beyond that I've heard preparation/research skills become important, e.g. openings).

Meanwhile with blitz you're practicing certain methods that improve your blitz results, which involve many short quick calculations.  This is not a primary skill in any other kind of chess faster than blitz, and will lead to inefficient analysis when you try to transition.

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stanhope13 wrote:

Blitz isn,t chess, its beat the clock.

If you look at the bell curve and go out, say, three standard deviations and note the difference between high and low rating, this is a good estimate IMO of the skill involved.

If there were no skill, (other than fast mouse skills) the rating graph would be mostly flat.

You can also note by viewing profiles that high ratings in other time controls, including CC, correlate to high blitz and bullet ratings.

Avatar of Jadeite

Bullet is probably counterproductive (at least for low-rated players like myself), but I think blitz is sufficiently lengthy that most players can get in quite a bit of thought and careful play. Honestly, I probably play too much correspondence chess-now I have no idea how to manage my time!

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I've been playing blitz almost exclusively for the past 7 or 8 years simply because I found standard chess required too much of an investment to be able to accept losing as an option.. and I did lose my fair share which didn't motivate me, but depressed me.  Blitz I found to be fun whether I win or lose.  I prefaced this to demonstrate that I love blitz (though not bullet which is too fast for me to play with any modicum of thought) and saying that, I'm convinced without a doubt that playing blitz exclusively has damage my former ability at standard games.  I played two standard games this year, here in fact, an although I won both, I made several blitz-type blunders in each game - the type of blunders I never made 10 years ago. I do think that blitz benefits from standard game play but not the converse.
Many great players were outstanding blitz or rapid transit players.   Last month I wrote an article called "A History of Blitz" in which I tried to trace not just the terminology, but the evolution of the game.  Players like Fine, I learned, were phenomenal rapid transit players, even playing multiple games blindfolded against decent players. But Fine was of WC caliber and understanding chess at that level enables one to play better intuitively than most of us play with deep thought.  So, knowing chess improves blitz; but playing blitz improves nothing.   Still, it's so much fun.