Lyudmil Tsvetkov - Chess Forums - Page 22

SmyslovFan

Feb 16, 2018

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#421

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

See how I beat SF in 30 moves, can you do the very same?

This is post #434.

I ran the game through Stockfish and it didn't play the same moves. In fact, it pointed out several errors that Black made.

Either you are running a very poor version of Stockfish, or you've hobbled it even more than just giving it a two pawn handicap.

lfPatriotGames

Feb 16, 2018

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#422

stewardjandstewardj wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

FromAlphaToOmega wrote:

Lyudmil, where were you a diplomat in?

Mostly European countries.

To America I have been just shortly.

But that is not the point, the point is WHY do we tolerate that Korean spy?

Even assuming chesster is not from Canada, there is still not even the foggiest evidence he is a Korean spy

How about something completely out of left field? Is it possible absolutely nothing he is saying is true. Zero, nada. Not a diplomat, not even a chess player, not an author, nothing. Instead, given current news events is it possible he is one of the 13 (or 14th) accused by Mueller as a meddler? The only purpose being to cause controversy and distrust among Americans?

chesster3145

Feb 16, 2018

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#423

lfPatriotGames wrote:

stewardjandstewardj wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

FromAlphaToOmega wrote:

Lyudmil, where were you a diplomat in?

Mostly European countries.

To America I have been just shortly.

But that is not the point, the point is WHY do we tolerate that Korean spy?

Even assuming chesster is not from Canada, there is still not even the foggiest evidence he is a Korean spy

How about something completely out of left field? Is it possible absolutely nothing he is saying is true. Zero, nada. Not a diplomat, not even a chess player, not an author, nothing. Instead, given current news events is it possible he is one of the 13 (or 14th) accused by Mueller as a meddler? The only purpose being to cause controversy and distrust among Americans?

I’m assuming you’re talking about Lyudmil here...

lfPatriotGames

Feb 16, 2018

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#424

chesster3145 wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

stewardjandstewardj wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

FromAlphaToOmega wrote:

Lyudmil, where were you a diplomat in?

Mostly European countries.

To America I have been just shortly.

But that is not the point, the point is WHY do we tolerate that Korean spy?

Even assuming chesster is not from Canada, there is still not even the foggiest evidence he is a Korean spy

How about something completely out of left field? Is it possible absolutely nothing he is saying is true. Zero, nada. Not a diplomat, not even a chess player, not an author, nothing. Instead, given current news events is it possible he is one of the 13 (or 14th) accused by Mueller as a meddler? The only purpose being to cause controversy and distrust among Americans?

I’m assuming you’re talking about Lyudmil here...

You assumed correctly. The topic has his name. And what I replied to had his comments. sorry if I implied it reffered to you. You seem very genuine. He does not.

chesster3145

Feb 16, 2018

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#425

lfPatriotGames wrote:

chesster3145 wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

stewardjandstewardj wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

FromAlphaToOmega wrote:

Lyudmil, where were you a diplomat in?

Mostly European countries.

To America I have been just shortly.

But that is not the point, the point is WHY do we tolerate that Korean spy?

Even assuming chesster is not from Canada, there is still not even the foggiest evidence he is a Korean spy

How about something completely out of left field? Is it possible absolutely nothing he is saying is true. Zero, nada. Not a diplomat, not even a chess player, not an author, nothing. Instead, given current news events is it possible he is one of the 13 (or 14th) accused by Mueller as a meddler? The only purpose being to cause controversy and distrust among Americans?

I’m assuming you’re talking about Lyudmil here...

You assumed correctly. The topic has his name. And what I replied to had his comments. sorry if I implied it reffered to you. You seem very genuine. He does not.

I’m glad you don’t think it refers to me.

stewardjandstewardj

Feb 17, 2018

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#426

lfPatriotGames wrote:

stewardjandstewardj wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

FromAlphaToOmega wrote:

Lyudmil, where were you a diplomat in?

Mostly European countries.

To America I have been just shortly.

But that is not the point, the point is WHY do we tolerate that Korean spy?

Even assuming chesster is not from Canada, there is still not even the foggiest evidence he is a Korean spy

How about something completely out of left field? Is it possible absolutely nothing he is saying is true. Zero, nada. Not a diplomat, not even a chess player, not an author, nothing. Instead, given current news events is it possible he is one of the 13 (or 14th) accused by Mueller as a meddler? The only purpose being to cause controversy and distrust among Americans?

lol also very unlikely. Lyudmil officially has a FIDE chess rating over 2000, and multiple books are officially written under his name as the author. And I don't see how it would "cause controversy and distrust among Americans," unless you are being sarcastic lol

chesster3145

Feb 17, 2018

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#427

stewardjandstewardj wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

stewardjandstewardj wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

FromAlphaToOmega wrote:

Lyudmil, where were you a diplomat in?

Mostly European countries.

To America I have been just shortly.

But that is not the point, the point is WHY do we tolerate that Korean spy?

Even assuming chesster is not from Canada, there is still not even the foggiest evidence he is a Korean spy

How about something completely out of left field? Is it possible absolutely nothing he is saying is true. Zero, nada. Not a diplomat, not even a chess player, not an author, nothing. Instead, given current news events is it possible he is one of the 13 (or 14th) accused by Mueller as a meddler? The only purpose being to cause controversy and distrust among Americans?

lol also very unlikely. Lyudmil officially has a FIDE chess rating over 2000, and multiple books are officially written under his name as the author. And I don't see how it would "cause controversy and distrust among Americans," unless you are being sarcastic lol

The point is this: I could call him a Russian troll and he couldn’t prove me wrong. Not that I am, just that if I did, he couldn’t prove me wrong.

SmyslovFan

Feb 17, 2018

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#428

Why lie about something you can look up. He never broke 2200 FIDE.

NM pretzel2

Feb 17, 2018

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#429

now now i'm sure lyudmil has a stockfish game proving he was a bulgarian diplomat, and not just any bulgarian diplomate the best darned bulgarian diplomat of all time!

stewardjandstewardj

Feb 18, 2018

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#430

lol

003_faith

Feb 20, 2018

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#431

I know you will return, Mr Lyudmil. I am patiently waiting for your next victory

Elroch

Feb 20, 2018

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#432

If Ljudmil got kicked off the site just because he discussed his books (he wasn't really selling them as such) it seems excessively harsh to me. He is genuinely passionate about chess and apart from rather a high opinion of his own capabilities (not uncommon among chess players!) he seems an honest guy.

Iam2busy

Feb 20, 2018

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#433

Well, all his posts are gone. Which means that he got kicked off for abuse.

003_faith

Feb 20, 2018

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#434

Very harsh. It seems the North Korean attempts to influence the thread have succeeded.

Elroch

Feb 20, 2018

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#435

chesster3145 wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

chesster3145 wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

stewardjandstewardj wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Btw., I suspect Chesster is a North Korean spy, could that be?

Wow, SO MUCH LOGIC to this random suspicion that CAME OUT OF NO WHERE with NO LOGIC WATSOEVER

He is a Korean spy.

Now, prove me wrong.

Mud-slinging was real FUN!

I have a Canada flag on my account and speak perfect English. The fact that you’re willing to resort to this defamatory bullshit is just sad.

The Canada flag is just a cover up.

Your true essence is evident: A North Korean spy.

I was searching the net to find something to confirm you are not a Korean spy, and I did not, neither that you are a Canadian citizen.

And I DID translate it with Google.

Let’s see:

Me:

-speaks perfect English

Ljudmil was a diplomat and appeared to have excellent English too: it's a useful skill in this job. He also speaks several other languages I believe.

-has Canada flag on profile

-has never told an outright lie in almost 3 years of membership

I am not sure Ljudmil has - the nearest are his assessments of his own chess strength.

-is Top Blogger, manages a couple of groups, both of which are credible

-believes in a fundamental respect and humility which all chess players should share

-believes that attacking people based on their rating or putting, say, all 1800s in a box is wrong

-actively contributes to the site

Profile: Hard-working, active, nice member

You:

-claims to be 3500 strength (is not)

It's clear he means he has achieved such a level against an engine. Surely a stretch, but he has individual impressive results.

-claims to have written the best chess book of all time (has not)

Subjective. There is no objective scale of chess book quality.

-claims to be a Stockfish dev (is not)

I am sure he did not claim this, because he is not a programmer: he said his work was used in developing evaluation routines for top engines. This is an entirely reasonable statement since using it has been discussed by Stockfish developers in their forum (I've see this, not sure where now). Note also this wiki page: https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Lyudmil+Tsvetkov

-claims to be a diplomat (is not)

Seriously? Where is your evidence for that?

-has not played OTB or online in 12 years

The former appears true: he hasn't claimed to. He could have played online elsewhere and not told us.

-attacks anybody who disagrees with them

Not correct. For example, I have been rather blunt with him and he has been entirely polite.

-lies frequently and effortlessly

General vacuous claim.

-claims (and possibly believes) that anyone below 3000 is weak

In my recollection, he has claimed engines are weak because he can find exploitable weaknesses in them. I am pretty sure he has made no general comments about people. He does have a very high opinion of his own chess skills, for sure, despite the lack of testing against anyone but engines!

Profile: Troll

No. Just devoted to playing chess against computers.

Psychamok

Feb 20, 2018

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#436

So he's finally gone?

chesster3145

Feb 20, 2018

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#437

Elroch wrote:

chesster3145 wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

chesster3145 wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

stewardjandstewardj wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Btw., I suspect Chesster is a North Korean spy, could that be?

Wow, SO MUCH LOGIC to this random suspicion that CAME OUT OF NO WHERE with NO LOGIC WATSOEVER

He is a Korean spy.

Now, prove me wrong.

Mud-slinging was real FUN!

I have a Canada flag on my account and speak perfect English. The fact that you’re willing to resort to this defamatory bullshit is just sad.

The Canada flag is just a cover up.

Your true essence is evident: A North Korean spy.

I was searching the net to find something to confirm you are not a Korean spy, and I did not, neither that you are a Canadian citizen.

And I DID translate it with Google.

Let’s see:

Me:

-speaks perfect English

Ljudmil was a diplomat and appeared to have excellent English too: it's a useful skill in this job. He also speaks several other languages I believe.

He claimed to be a diplomat, and for 13 years no less, but I (and at least one other person) found him nowhere on Wikipedia or the Bulgarian Ministry of Foreign Affairs website.

-has Canada flag on profile

-has never told an outright lie in almost 3 years of membership

I am not sure Ljudmil has - the nearest are his assessments of his own chess strength.

I can’t recall any specific one right now, but that tends to happen over a couple thousand posts.

-is Top Blogger, manages a couple of groups, both of which are credible

-believes in a fundamental respect and humility which all chess players should share

-believes that attacking people based on their rating or putting, say, all 1800s in a box is wrong

-actively contributes to the site

Profile: Hard-working, active, nice member

You:

-claims to be 3500 strength (is not)

It's clear he means he has achieved such a level against an engine. Surely a stretch, but he has individual impressive results.

True, but his claims that he is “much stronger than a normal GM” and that “Kramnik is weak” seem to mean something else.

-claims to have written the best chess book of all time (has not)

Subjective. There is no objective scale of chess book quality.

True, but we can get pretty close with the opinions of people who have read the book.

-claims to be a Stockfish dev (is not)

I am sure he did not claim this, because he is not a programmer: he said his work was used in developing evaluation routines for top engines. This is an entirely reasonable statement since using it has been discussed by Stockfish developers in their forum (I've see this, not sure where now). Note also this wiki page: https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Lyudmil+Tsvetkov

-claims to be a diplomat (is not)

Seriously? Where is your evidence for that?

He’s been claiming it throughout the thread “The Secret of Chess”. I can’t find it right now but I know it is there, and will find it once I can get on my PC at the end of the day

-has not played OTB or online in 12 years

The former appears true: he hasn't claimed to. He could have played online elsewhere and not told us.

-attacks anybody who disagrees with them

Not correct. For example, I have been rather blunt with him and he has been entirely polite.

True enough.

-lies frequently and effortlessly

General vacuous claim.

Also true.

-claims (and possibly believes) that anyone below 3000 is weak

In my recollection, he has claimed engines are weak because he can find exploitable weaknesses in them. I am pretty sure he has made no general comments about people. He does have a very high opinion of his own chess skills, for sure, despite the lack of testing against anyone but engines!

He’s claimed that Kramnik is weak and said that anyone below 3000 is weak, but I can’t recall how many posts back.

Profile: Troll

No. Just devoted to playing chess against computers.

Also true. I definitely did go a bit too far in responding to some of his less reasonable claims...

Elroch

Feb 20, 2018

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#438

I should emphasise that I see no reason to disbelieve Ljudmil's statement that he was a Bulgarian diplomat. For more information see https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Lyudmil+Tsvetkov#cite_note-1 which did have a link to an Irish government site, but as years go by, such links get broken. This page also has links to other documents relevant to his work on positional evaluation functions.

SmyslovFan

Feb 20, 2018

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#439

He may have been a diplomat, but the grammar in his published works was atrocious. It was very difficult to understand what he meant.

His books were interesting from a programming perspective, but there is no way anyone could use the information in his books to improve.

His insights on how to play against an engine were rather elementary and often misleading. Yes, we all know engines do poorly in closed positions, and that engines don't always work out long positional sacs accurately.

But engines are so strong now that even with the knowledge of what they do poorly, humans can't compete with them.

Lyudmil's games often started from handicapped positions and he often forced the engine to play a bad move in order to highlight its weaknesses. Anyone who tried to recreate the games using Stockfish knew this.

Personally, I'm betting his account was closed because he created sock puppet accounts to agree with him and offer false testimonials.

Elroch

Feb 20, 2018

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#440

Sorry, but I cannot agree with you about the games being based on "forcing" engines to play bad moves. I would be willing to bet that you are saying that by making a personal judgement on the quality of engine moves. I have discussed this with a CM who made similar mistakes - identifying "bad moves" by the engine which a little analysis with an engine finds are entirely plausible moves (eg engine top pick with limited time or within single digit centipawns of its preferred move) resulting from the engine having got into a position where it has slightly lost its way. You need to bear in mind that engines are the victims of the positional evaluation routines that have been programmed into them: as long as the position looks ok in a particular direction they are happy even if as they get further, the position gets worse. This is what you can see happening in games posted by Ljudmil (some even without handicap, but either with very limited time or slightly older engines). It's no shame to take a handicap against a top engine when you consider what a lot of trouble GMs have playing them with a handicap (under more stringent conditions - they can be flagged!)

It is plausible that your last point is true, but as it may not be I would not guess such a thing in public.