The philosophy of aesthetics... sounds interesting. I mean, I've taken art history, interpreting art pieces, is that what it's like?
Nigel Short: Women's brains not chess brains
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they both are the same
Elubas wrote:
The philosophy of aesthetics... sounds interesting. I mean, I've taken art history, interpreting art pieces, is that what it's like?
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aesthetic-concept/
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(Elubas #1662)....But it doesn't take away the beauty of the game. Chess isn't responsible for the people it attracts, it's just responsible for being beautiful.
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Yes, but I feel the beauty of chess has its limits - sadly IMO. It was at its height of its beauty from after WWII to the Kasparov vs Karpov games. It's beauty has been going downhill since then.
Where's its beauty now ? The top games variations that were never played. Chess from, say, 2000-2400. And most importantly ?.....women's chess. That's what's left. OTB inaccuracies are heaven sent. It allows for creative, imaginative counterplay....and subsequent double inaccuracies ! OMG....there's the beauty !
Ask yourself something. Isn't this what you want to see ? It's what I want. And I know where to find it. Women's chess offers me that. And Humpy and Carissa and Daisy (Deysi Cori) give me hope. This is where you'll find the beauty of chess in the future.
Try this next time. Play some non-rated games (if you're worried about your rating) and try to create. Create complicated, interesting, imaginative positions. Don't worry about winning as the most important. Set aside any ego you might have and just relax and breathe and smile. Take one move at a time and don't think too much or overplan or, gawd forbid, worry.
If you can understand the mindset of most women when we play chess, you're certain to improve your own game. And you'll love it all the more !....
....JMO.
power_2_the_people wrote:
interesting list. Many anti-Short people claim that the explanation of the few women in top chess is anti-woman culture. Which means pro-woman cuture = a lot of good female chess players and anti-woman /conservative) culture = fewer woman chess players.
But NONE of those are from the most pro-women countries in the West, but from conservative countries with the traditional gender roles.
Which means the theory "culture prevents women from dominating chess" must be wrong.
power_2_the_people wrote:
chess is unlike most sports because women are able to compete against men
vera menchik the world's first women's chess champion, competed in chess tournaments with some of the world's leading male chess masters, defeating many of them, including future world champion max euwe
from wikipedia if i remember well
"Defeating many of them"... It would be nice to know what is meant by that. A difference in rating of 100 points means that the higher-rated player beats the lower-rated player two times out of three. So, even if Menchik defeated Euwe in one game, it doesn't mean anything unless it's backed up by a whole series of games, in which Menchik was victorious more often than not. The Wikipedia article doesn't elaborate on that, but it does state the following:
"The biggest and strongest tournament Menchik played in was the Moscow tournament of 1935, which featured World Champions Botvinnik, Capablanca, and Lasker, as well as a host of elite players and future GMs like Flohr, Ragozin, Spielmann, Levenfish, Lilenthal, etc. Here, Menchik finished in last place, 20th out of 20 competitors, with a score of (+0−16=3)."
So, saying that "a woman once defeated a world champion of chess" is just as meaningless as saying "no woman can ever beat any man in chess" is erroneous. Because we're talking about a small difference in performance, we have to rely on statistics to see it.
Masamune314 wrote:
We have a lot of info from our senses to filter. It would be chaos to use all of our brainpower at once. Although, it is theorized that autistic brains have less of a filter but at the cosy of a much more limited, specialized brain. Sorry about all the autism stuff, it's just what I know best. I think the skull size may have to do with the massive amount of neural paths that are formed in a brain with ASD but are highly over pruned at some point, leaving a brain with a more specialized capacity and not always indicative of IQ.
Don't be sorry; I've found your ideas very interesting and helpful. I have two autistic sons myself, and I've been thinking about the condition a lot during the past year or two.
Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:
power_2_the_people wrote:
interesting list. Many anti-Short people claim that the explanation of the few women in top chess is anti-woman culture. Which means pro-woman cuture = a lot of good female chess players and anti-woman /conservative) culture = fewer woman chess players.
But NONE of those are from the most pro-women countries in the West, but from conservative countries with the traditional gender roles.
Which means the theory "culture prevents women from dominating chess" must be wrong.
This is a logical fallacy. Although a misogynist culture may drag women behind, it does not implies that a seemingly pro-women culture will succeed in producing more women champions.
Indeed top women players (but many top male players as well) come from former soviet countries or Asia, but these areas value hard work, culture and intellectual achievement through effort instead of lazy learning or alleged innate abilities in the child.
power_2_the_people wrote:
Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:
power_2_the_people wrote:
interesting list. Many anti-Short people claim that the explanation of the few women in top chess is anti-woman culture. Which means pro-woman cuture = a lot of good female chess players and anti-woman /conservative) culture = fewer woman chess players.
But NONE of those are from the most pro-women countries in the West, but from conservative countries with the traditional gender roles.
Which means the theory "culture prevents women from dominating chess" must be wrong.
there is no anti-Short people and its not a theory
By "anti-Short" people I just meant "the people that disagrees with his statement that men and women have brains that are hardwired differently". Don't mean someone is conspiring against him or something like that lo.
Don't understand what you mean with "it's not a theory"?
Colin20G wrote:
Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:
power_2_the_people wrote:
interesting list. Many anti-Short people claim that the explanation of the few women in top chess is anti-woman culture. Which means pro-woman cuture = a lot of good female chess players and anti-woman /conservative) culture = fewer woman chess players.
But NONE of those are from the most pro-women countries in the West, but from conservative countries with the traditional gender roles.
Which means the theory "culture prevents women from dominating chess" must be wrong.
This is a logical fallacy. Although a misogynist culture may drag women behind, it does not implies that a seemingly pro-women culture will succeed in producing more women champions.
Indeed top women players (but many top male players as well) come from former soviet countries or Asia, but these areas value hard work, culture and intellectual achievement through effort instead of lazy learning or alleged innate abilities in the child.
Well I am only referring other people's views in this thread. Many people claim Short is wrong and the reason for the few women in top chess is a sort of anti-woman culture.
Which makes no sense in the light of this list, everyone knows Ukraine and India is more macho-like and male dominated than say Sweden or Holland.
I myself dont believe culture is such important factor.
I dont believe either that Ukraine is marked by especially high work ethic lol. Seems odd to me if you want to go on the like that Ukrainians work better than say Germans that has zero women on the list. I think some economists would be very surprised :)
I had Russia in mind, see the way they used to produce pianists, gymnasts etc
power_2_the_people wrote:
its not a theory, society still keeps women away from chess and like colin says pro-women does not necessarly aim a total domination either
Well I think that "society keeps women from chess" is just stuff people made up because they want to be right. When people can see their beliefs collide with the world, they make up stuff to save the idea.
The great anti-woman conspiracy theory. The evil copnspiracy that doesnt want women to play chess and control the world media and everything. But that apparently holds no power in Ukraine but keeps all German women from chess!
Or China
Asian kids routinely outperform westerner ones at school
Soviet Russia and China were notorious for scouting talent in many endeavors, including Olympic sports and giving these children only one path to follow. There was no choice there. I don't know if I'd feel comfortable being around a lot of the attitude on the men's circuit. You would not only need prodigious amounts of talent as a woman, you would also need to be as thick skinned as Jackie Robinson and Carl Moses. That's a lot to ask of anybody. Seeing as how a lot of top chess players severely fall apart after major loses, it's no wonder that it might take a truly exceptional woman in ALL regards to break the status quo.
Colin20G wrote:
Asian kids routinely outperform westerner ones at school
That's most definitely cultural.
In Soviet Russia that (scouting talent) may have applied under Stalin or later rulers of Soviet Russia, but certainly not under Lenin. He had practically all intellectuals exectued and believed beautiful people (women in particular) were more likely to become intellectuals.
SheridanJupp wrote:
In Soviet Russia that (scouting talent) may have applied under Stalin but certainly not under Lenin. He had practically all intellectuals exectued and believed beautiful people (women in particular) were more likely to become intellectuals.
I'll give you that. I was talking more about the seventies and eighties, although I'm no expert. Mao LOVED those intellectuals...*sarcasm*
How about taking a look at your end especially with your behavior, why not just take it easy. So you won't keep making new account.
lol
you people are something else.
scary