Sometimes chess doesn't make sense.

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Chess doesn't make sense at all like in this position:

2 pawn facing each other. Yet, they can't take each other. Are they bricks? And when pawns face to face each other diagonally they have some sort of ability to capture. 

Yet, that's not all, Knights which are horses which the piece just like a Horse having been called a knight???

In xiangqi Knights are called horses in xiangqi. It has no one to represent or ride it. So the horses can't jump over pieces. Knights in chess however doesn't have the rider and can jump over pieces unlike xiangqi.

There is also a weird thing, Rooks which are mostly designed as an Castle can still move. Can even Rooks (Castles) move??? How? I remembered they said "Rooks are auto mobiles" but if is that the case, then why we don't have auto mobiles in the 1400s and even the ancient times (Chess was originally called Chaturanga, the rooks at Chaturanga moves like the same as modern chess.)

If u can answer these questions answer it below!

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VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

Chess doesn't make sense at all like in this position:

2 pawn facing each other. Yet, they can't take each other. Are they bricks? And when pawns face to face each other diagonally they have some sort of ability to capture.

Yet, that's not all, Knights which are horses which the piece just like a Horse having been called a knight???

In xiangqi Knights are called horses in xiangqi. It has no one to represent or ride it. So the horses can't jump over pieces. Knights in chess however doesn't have the rider and can jump over pieces unlike xiangqi.

There is also a weird thing, Rooks which are mostly designed as an Castle can still move. Can even Rooks (Castles) move??? How? I remembered they said "Rooks are auto mobiles" but if is that the case, then why we don't have auto mobiles in the 1400s and even the ancient times (Chess was originally called Chaturanga, the rooks at Chaturanga moves like the same as modern chess.)

If u can answer these questions answer it below!

All thanks to Indians, chess was created.
Here in India, we call horses as horses and not knights, and we call the rooks as elephants, and we call the bishop as a minister or a camel.
Basically, chess was created to test the strategy of the upcoming king or to refine the strategy of the existing king. We named all the 4 different pieces according to the actual military in those days. For example, the pawn is called as the soldier, and it is more in number when compared to the other pieces ( there are 2 rooks, 2 bishops, 2 knights, 1 queen and a king but there are 8 pawns ).
The game would end if the opponent's king is encircled and has no way to escape while being attacked by one of your piece or pawn. This is also what the kings would aim for in the real battle field. And rooks were not meant to look like those towers kinda shape we have today. It was meant to look like an elephant which would protect the king as well as would be used to attack or defend. And the knights were not random horses without a rider as we see in modern pieces, in the old chess set, they were used by knights ( and i guess that's where the modern name comes from as a knight is the only one capable of riding the horse and using it efficiently ) and about the queen, idk much about why the queen has combined powers of both rooks and bishops.

Here is a picture of how the old chess set might have looked

here is a picture of how the old set could have looked. And the soldiers ( pawns ) look like they are riding a boat but if you observe carefully, they are not riding. ( although that would be cool )

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It think in the Western interpretation of the pieces the Rook was perhaps represented as a siege tower, which can move forwards and backwards easily but is bad at cornering. Although people sometimes refer to it as a castle, it looks like a single tower rather than a whole castle.

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It bearly makes sense at all in this positon
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Wow

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Think about a chess position from a real-life perspective. Two enemy soldiers just stand facing each other, probably kissing. They won’t do anything to kill the other unless they’re standing diagonally from the other. Weird af

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TheSampson wrote:

Think about a chess position from a real-life perspective. Two enemy soldiers just stand facing each other, probably kissing. They won’t do anything to kill the other unless they’re standing diagonally from the other. Weird af

LMAO!

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Look at the pawns like in the movie “Troy.” When they went head to head, they were more or less equal. When Achilles face off one on one versus the opponent’s champion, he charged and attacked him at an angle to get through his defenses.

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long_quach wrote:
Prajwal_Bharadwaj wrote:

All thanks to Indians, chess was created.

Here in India, we call horses as horses and not knights, and we call the rooks as elephants, and we call the bishop as a minister or a camel.

I'm teaching an Indian Indian stuff. And I'm Vietnamese-American.

Indians call Bishops "Elephants". Indians call Rooks "Chariots". Which is the same thing in Chinese Chess. Chinese Chess is closer to Chaturanga than Western Chess.

The Charlemagne Chess Set.


Let's learn some Indian stuff.

Well, depends on the region you live in, here, in my locality, we call bishops as either camel, or a minister. And we also call rooks as Elephants, and we call knights as horse. I apologize for not mentioning it, but you should clearly not refer wrong websites or sources, they ruin your knowledge you know

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

In xiangqi Knights are called horses in xiangqi. It has no one to represent or ride it.

Young ins. Kids today.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/how-many-ways-can-you-mess-up-a-chinese-chess-set#comment-97621931

You've been playing Chinese Chess with a post Communist China chess set. The Communist [bleep bleep] their own culture during the Cultural Revolution.

You've been playing Chinese Chess with symmetric "Knights".

In the original version, the Knights are not symmetric.

This is the Red Knight.

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亻= 人 = person, man (kind), [2 legs walking].

馬 horse. horseman.

If u are racist to knights and "horseman". The horseman cant walk an L shape all the time. For example:

U can see the moved black knight cant move over the pawn because the pawn is blocking its way. However if u buff that knight to move like the knight in chess today, it will totally move over than pawn. Or "chot" in vietnamese.

I dont think pulling out these 2 to compare it and say xiangqi meaning still matches the same as chess and calling me young and pull out a literall chinese dictionary as if it was your class.

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

I dont think pulling out these 2 to compare it and say xiangqi meaning still matches the same as chess and calling me young and pull out a literall chinese dictionary as if it was your class.

Western chess and Chinese chess have a common ancestor in Indian chess, Chaturanga.

When in doubt go back to the common ancestor. I'm not talking about Western chess, I'm talking about Indian chess.

Chinese chess is closer to Chaturanga.

It is my class. Here, and anywhere else, someone has something to teach and someone has something to learn.


You teach me something.

Knights in chaturanga can move normally like modern chess -_-

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

In xiangqi Knights are called horses in xiangqi. It has no one to represent or ride it. So the horses can't jump over pieces. Knights in chess however doesn't have the rider and can jump over pieces unlike xiangqi.

Knights are called horses in Chinese chess. It is implied that there is a rider.

Just like Elephant. Comes with a rider.

Just like Chariots, comes with a Ben Hur action figure. Each sold separately.


The reason why "horses" can be blocked in Chinese chess is because the Chinese are geniuses.

It comes with their thinking. Things and their opposite. Ying and Yang.

Horse being blocked on the adjacent orthogonal. Open and close. You can get in, but you can't get out.

Chariots (Rooks) and Cannons, direct and indirect.

Pawns after crossing the river, connect and disconnect.

Generals in their castle/capital, stationary and moving.

Elephants cannot cross the river, offense and defense.


You are calquing badly from Vietnamese. You are speaking gibberish. But my guess is you still speak gibberish even in Vietnamese.

I dont believe in novels about Ben Hur.

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

Yet, that's not all, Knights which are horses which the piece just like a Horse having been called a knight???

In xiangqi Knights are called horses in xiangqi. It has no one to represent or ride it.

Again, horses are implied to have riders.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/luxury-chess-set-1?page=3#comment-92580471

Here is my Napoleon and Caesar Augustus chess set.


Im arent even a fan on this makup chess styles to fit with the emporors. If it was an ancient person who was recieving de4th threats from Roman Empire that he should imply the rules and make chess that fits Augustus. But overall, these styles still perfectly follows the today chess. But it is sad to see people who were forced to make a patriotism style on these emporors and leaders, and it isn't suprising to me

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

You teach me something.

Knights in chaturanga can move normally like modern chess -_-

Ooh, I'm taught.

I already knew that.


And the Chinese are the smartest on the planet. (I didn't say wisest, that would probably be Indians).

Think of all the chess pieces as the human body. The Chinese understood Wing Chun Trapping, and so do boxers.


That is why the Chinese are so smart.

Roses are red

Violets are blue

Air asked about Wing Chun

And u magically went blue

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long_quach wrote:

@VerifiedChessYarshe

Next you're gonna tell me Elephants can be offensive in Chaturanga and Western chess?


In Lacrosse, the defender cannot cross the mid-field.

The Chinese understood offensive fighting and defensive fighting.


They invented that thousands of years before Lacrosse invented it.

The only thing i asked and mentioned xiangqi and Chess. While none of those u say, ur telling me air asked you about Lacrosse?

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long_quach wrote:

@VerifiedChessYarshe

Next you're gonna tell me Elephants can be offensive in Chaturanga and western chess.

Nothing is impossible. Its just about impossible's imaginary minds

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long_quach wrote:

Pawns in Chaturanga and Western Chess are in phalanx formation.

Pawns in Chinese Chess are in maniple formation.


The Chinese advanced Chaturanga beyond your imagination.

Still after all nothing is impossible. And even you wont imagine if u didnt watch the video. And even im wrong the imaginative is limitless. That is why we got mobile stuff. If mobile stuff seems impossible but they can do it with complex math. Maths is also apart of limitless imaginary.

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

. . . the imaginative is limitless.

Wow.

Sow imaginative.

Chaturanga Kinght, Western Knight. Same thing.

So imaginative!

What will you imagine next?

U want...?

Sure. I can spend 1 hour full cover of music named "Imaginary"but scared of copyrights.

Here:

Electric mobile cars.

Algorithms that can make choices for our life with 100% accuracy

Algorithms that will listen to us.

Killing cancer with complex medicine calculation.

Dengue fever became a minor threats to robots.

International robot-human alliance.

Nuclear energy.

Quantum machenics.

An endless loop that teleport us around the space???

Resources that could be replaced with recycle rescources.

I cant imagine all of them all of them is used. But galaxy is infinite and we havent even explored over 1% of the space. Which shows that 99% of the space is not explored. But even we can, the 99% will stuck there as it is infinite.

Edit: Time travel???

Recovering deaths?

Ending diseases?

AI teacher????

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long_quach wrote:

Here's the genius of Chinese chess.

Chinese chess has more innovations than Western chess, but it is closer to Chaturanga because the pieces have the same power!

I can't even fathom that.

Not even it takes 0.1% brain to recieve this infomation but also very creative. Even if it compares the scale of space, it just even gonna be 0.1% scale to the endless void.

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llama_l wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

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Anthropomorphising pieces makes no sense. The purpose of a game's rules is to create something interesting to play. That is all.

The patterns of movement are basic geometry. Moving in lines. The only "hard" one to figure out is a knight, but it's simple once you realize it merely moves to the nearest square which is not on any line (not on the same file, rank, or diagonal).

Still if the creators and chess grandmasters say it is a strategic game, shouldnt the anthropomorphising has been thought of ?