Sometimes chess doesn't make sense.

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Chess doesn't make sense at all like in this position:

2 pawn facing each other. Yet, they can't take each other. Are they bricks? And when pawns face to face each other diagonally they have some sort of ability to capture. 

Yet, that's not all, Knights which are horses which the piece just like a Horse having been called a knight???

In xiangqi Knights are called horses in xiangqi. It has no one to represent or ride it. So the horses can't jump over pieces. Knights in chess however doesn't have the rider and can jump over pieces unlike xiangqi.

There is also a weird thing, Rooks which are mostly designed as an Castle can still move. Can even Rooks (Castles) move??? How? I remembered they said "Rooks are auto mobiles" but if is that the case, then why we don't have auto mobiles in the 1400s and even the ancient times (Chess was originally called Chaturanga, the rooks at Chaturanga moves like the same as modern chess.)

If u can answer these questions answer it below!

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VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

Chess doesn't make sense at all like in this position:

2 pawn facing each other. Yet, they can't take each other. Are they bricks? And when pawns face to face each other diagonally they have some sort of ability to capture.

Yet, that's not all, Knights which are horses which the piece just like a Horse having been called a knight???

In xiangqi Knights are called horses in xiangqi. It has no one to represent or ride it. So the horses can't jump over pieces. Knights in chess however doesn't have the rider and can jump over pieces unlike xiangqi.

There is also a weird thing, Rooks which are mostly designed as an Castle can still move. Can even Rooks (Castles) move??? How? I remembered they said "Rooks are auto mobiles" but if is that the case, then why we don't have auto mobiles in the 1400s and even the ancient times (Chess was originally called Chaturanga, the rooks at Chaturanga moves like the same as modern chess.)

If u can answer these questions answer it below!

All thanks to Indians, chess was created.
Here in India, we call horses as horses and not knights, and we call the rooks as elephants, and we call the bishop as a minister or a camel.
Basically, chess was created to test the strategy of the upcoming king or to refine the strategy of the existing king. We named all the 4 different pieces according to the actual military in those days. For example, the pawn is called as the soldier, and it is more in number when compared to the other pieces ( there are 2 rooks, 2 bishops, 2 knights, 1 queen and a king but there are 8 pawns ).
The game would end if the opponent's king is encircled and has no way to escape while being attacked by one of your piece or pawn. This is also what the kings would aim for in the real battle field. And rooks were not meant to look like those towers kinda shape we have today. It was meant to look like an elephant which would protect the king as well as would be used to attack or defend. And the knights were not random horses without a rider as we see in modern pieces, in the old chess set, they were used by knights ( and i guess that's where the modern name comes from as a knight is the only one capable of riding the horse and using it efficiently ) and about the queen, idk much about why the queen has combined powers of both rooks and bishops.

Here is a picture of how the old chess set might have looked

here is a picture of how the old set could have looked. And the soldiers ( pawns ) look like they are riding a boat but if you observe carefully, they are not riding. ( although that would be cool )

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It think in the Western interpretation of the pieces the Rook was perhaps represented as a siege tower, which can move forwards and backwards easily but is bad at cornering. Although people sometimes refer to it as a castle, it looks like a single tower rather than a whole castle.

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It bearly makes sense at all in this positon
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Wow

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Think about a chess position from a real-life perspective. Two enemy soldiers just stand facing each other, probably kissing. They won’t do anything to kill the other unless they’re standing diagonally from the other. Weird af

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TheSampson wrote:

Think about a chess position from a real-life perspective. Two enemy soldiers just stand facing each other, probably kissing. They won’t do anything to kill the other unless they’re standing diagonally from the other. Weird af

LMAO!

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Look at the pawns like in the movie “Troy.” When they went head to head, they were more or less equal. When Achilles face off one on one versus the opponent’s champion, he charged and attacked him at an angle to get through his defenses.

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Prajwal_Bharadwaj wrote:

All thanks to Indians, chess was created.

Here in India, we call horses as horses and not knights, and we call the rooks as elephants, and we call the bishop as a minister or a camel.

I'm teaching an Indian Indian stuff. And I'm Vietnamese-American.

Indians call Bishops "Elephants". Indians call Rooks "Chariots". Which is the same thing in Chinese Chess. Chinese Chess is closer to Chaturanga than Western Chess.

The Charlemagne Chess Set.


Let's learn some Indian stuff.

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DejarikDreams wrote:

he charged and attacked him at an angle to get through his defenses.

In MMA, it's called "getting an angle" on someone. It's in boxing, kicking, and wrestling.

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VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

In xiangqi Knights are called horses in xiangqi. It has no one to represent or ride it.

Young ins. Kids today.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/how-many-ways-can-you-mess-up-a-chinese-chess-set#comment-97621931

You've been playing Chinese Chess with a post Communist China chess set. The Communist [bleep bleep] their own culture during the Cultural Revolution.

You've been playing Chinese Chess with symmetric "Knights".

In the original version, the Knights are not symmetric.

This is the Red Knight.

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亻= 人 = person, man (kind), [2 legs walking].

馬 horse. horseman.

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VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

There is also a weird thing, Rooks which are mostly designed as an Castle can still move. Can even Rooks (Castles) move??? How?

Chess has been Europeanized, Anglicized to be more correct.

Bishops don't go on the battlefield. They stay in churches.

Western chess pieces are symbols of power of their time and place.

But the root words are always correct.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/chinese-chess-1?quote_id=97849499&page=1#comment-97849499


Chess pieces are adopted to different places and different times.

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VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

I remembered they said "Rooks are auto mobiles" but if is that the case, then why we don't have auto mobiles in the 1400s and even the ancient times (Chess was originally called Chaturanga, the rooks at Chaturanga moves like the same as modern chess.)

If u can answer these questions answer it below!

Young ins. Kids today.

You're in luck. I'm Vietnamese, I can help you.

But you could help yourself if you understand history.

The Vietnamese word "xe" is a calque from the Chinese 車.

It means "vehicle" in the minds of modern Vietnamese and Chinese.

Modern Chinese forget the root word, the glyph.

That is a glyph of a chariot. 2 wheels, and axle and a box.

vehicle ≈ automobile ≈ car

Just like the English word "car".

"car" is short for "carriage".

Cars were called "horseless carriages." There is a new kind of "horse power".

Love and marriage, goes together like a horse and a carriage. This I tell you brother, you can't have one without the other . . .

That is the root words of things.

I'm Vietnamese-American.

I took 2 years of Latin in High School. I'm learning Chinese now.

Learn the roots of your language.

Learn history.


The Chinese Communist Party [bleep bleep] their own culture.

Traditional Character

Simplified [I call it Commie] Character.

What the hell is that?

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long_quach wrote:
Prajwal_Bharadwaj wrote:

All thanks to Indians, chess was created.

Here in India, we call horses as horses and not knights, and we call the rooks as elephants, and we call the bishop as a minister or a camel.

I'm teaching an Indian Indian stuff. And I'm Vietnamese-American.

Indians call Bishops "Elephants". Indians call Rooks "Chariots". Which is the same thing in Chinese Chess. Chinese Chess is closer to Chaturanga than Western Chess.

The Charlemagne Chess Set.


Let's learn some Indian stuff.

Well, depends on the region you live in, here, in my locality, we call bishops as either camel, or a minister. And we also call rooks as Elephants, and we call knights as horse. I apologize for not mentioning it, but you should clearly not refer wrong websites or sources, they ruin your knowledge you know

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Prajwal_Bharadwaj wrote:
 

1. Well, depends on the region you live in, here, in my locality, 2. we call bishops as either camel, or a minister. 3. And we also call rooks as Elephants, 4. and we call knights as horse. I apologize for not mentioning it, but you should clearly not refer 5. wrong websites or sources, they ruin your knowledge you know

1. We are not talking localities.

localities = place

We are talking about time. Time beyond your imagination. Thousands of years.

2. Elephants are synonymous with India. When are camels part of regular military unit in Indian warfare?

Calling the Bishop a Minister is calling the Elephant a Bishop. Which they do in Chinese chess. One side is Elephant 象, the other side is Minister 相.

3. The Rook is the fastest piece. It is a chariot. Watch Ben Hur. Elephants are not that fast. The bigger you are, the slower you are. Just because you call a Rook an Elephant does not mean you call it correctly.

Remember, the Elephant moves 2 squares diagonally, still does in Chinese chess.

4. It's also in Chinese. 馬. It is also in English, "horseman". Also in French, "cavalry".

5. One of us is wrong, and it is not me.

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long_quach wrote:

3. The Rook is the fastest piece. It is a chariot. Watch Ben Hur. Elephants are not that fast. The bigger you are, the slower you are. Just because you call a Rook an Elephant does not mean you call it correctly.

Remember, the Elephant moves 2 squares diagonally, still does in Chinese chess.

The Flintstones chess set's Rook is etymologically correct.

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long_quach wrote:

2. Elephants are synonymous with India. When are camels part of regular military unit in Indian warfare?

You can tell how Chess traveled through time and "localities" by the words that are used.

Camels. That's out of Lawrence of Arabia or something. (I never saw the movie).

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Prajwal_Bharadwaj wrote:
 

. . . And we also call rooks as Elephants . . .

Look at the analogous position of the pieces in Chinese chess.

That is the beauty of a glyph language.

A chariot. 2 wheels, an axle, and a box.

Elephant. 4 legs, 1 tail, 2 big ears, and a trunk.


A glyph language can endure for thousands of years.

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Prajwal_Bharadwaj wrote:
 

Well, depends on the region you live in, here, in my locality, we call bishops as either camel, or a minister. And we also call rooks as Elephants,

Just because you call something, does not mean you call it correctly, name it correctly.

Go, The 囗 Surrounding 棋 Game.

圍棋 Chinese.

囲碁 Japanese.

棋 root character 木 tree, wood, chess player = wood pusher

碁 root character 石 stone.


Movies. Pretty good name. Motion picture.

Talkies. Radio. Walkie-talkie. Mobile radio. Perfect.

"phim", Vietnamese, from the french "film". Pretty good. The material movies are made of.

"xi nê", Vietnamese, from french "cinema". Very good. That's a hard "c" as in "cat". Kinema. Kinetic. Motion. Kinetic energy, the energy of motion. Cinematography, the recording of motion. Perfect.

But no language in the world can name it more correctly than Chinese.

電影 Electric Shadow = Movies.

雨 rain. drops of rain in a cloud 冂 falling down丨from heaven 一 above.

电 lightning bolt from a cloud.


That is how you correctly name something.


In Vietnam, movie theaters used to be called "shadow theater" before the french term "cinema" was adopted.


Edit:

The jokes write themselves.

I went to the movie theater to watch "The Shadow".

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

In xiangqi Knights are called horses in xiangqi. It has no one to represent or ride it.

Young ins. Kids today.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/how-many-ways-can-you-mess-up-a-chinese-chess-set#comment-97621931

You've been playing Chinese Chess with a post Communist China chess set. The Communist [bleep bleep] their own culture during the Cultural Revolution.

You've been playing Chinese Chess with symmetric "Knights".

In the original version, the Knights are not symmetric.

This is the Red Knight.

.

亻= 人 = person, man (kind), [2 legs walking].

馬 horse. horseman.

If u are racist to knights and "horseman". The horseman cant walk an L shape all the time. For example:

U can see the moved black knight cant move over the pawn because the pawn is blocking its way. However if u buff that knight to move like the knight in chess today, it will totally move over than pawn. Or "chot" in vietnamese.

I dont think pulling out these 2 to compare it and say xiangqi meaning still matches the same as chess and calling me young and pull out a literall chinese dictionary as if it was your class.