Supreme Intelligence Vs Logic. - (God) Vs (Houdini)

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Nicholas_Shannon80

Many people would argue about god playing fair. Not all religions paint pictures of loving protection from above. Ever read about that guy, Job?

waffllemaster
ScorpionPackAttack wrote:

I'd say a draw.  Houdini is practically close enough to perfect, God can't squeeze out the win.  God maybe for a 1 minute game though but for longer time controls a draw. 

Do you really believe Houdini never loses games or was this a joke?

najdorf96

There's only one point i could contribute. And it is this:

What could an one-dimensional game created by 3-dimensional beings possibly mean to an multi-dimensional being (God). Is it by our own arrogance, to even concieve that our best chess engine could beat that which created us? Gave us fire in which to create. The fact "God moves in mysterious ways" would astound, or likely overload any processor let alone needing the time and resourses to even calculate every probablity into the teras, peta or beyond evev human comprehension. Whew! I'm done. Thanx.

8)

waffllemaster
najdorf96 wrote:
 Is it by our own arrogance, to even concieve that our best chess engine could beat that which created us?

I know right?  The very concept of the created being better at something than the creator... it's just ludicrous.

vinsvis

The real question is: could God create an engine that would beat him at chess?

najdorf96

(He would probably agree to an draw, "just because". Like any proud parent. Just my own opinion)

najdorf96

He did actually. The Human pontential. Like pawns, we start out as humble servants. But each rank we climb, scratch or crawl to; we get that much closer to the ultimate level where we can do or be anything we want to be.

Raja_Kentut

God created men, and men created houdini the chess engine. Houdini can't even make the PC that it resides on. Comparing God to houdini is stupid.

Talking about life being unfair, it is difficult to say what is fair and what is not. What is fair to you is not necessarily be fair to others. You may view your life as unfair, but if you have been to some of the impoverished countries you will realize how generous God is to you. One thing for certain is that life is not easy and it is not meant to be easy. It poses difficulties and tempts you to take shortcuts. I believe life, as in chess, has general principles to follow. Stay away from those shortcuts and you will save yourself from a lot of miseries. 

waffllemaster
Raja_Kentut wrote:
God created men, and men created houdini the chess engine. Houdini can't even make the PC that it resides on. Comparing God to houdini is stupid.

I know right?  The very concept of the created being better at something than the creator... it's just ludicrous.

sisu

Let's make it happen!

waffllemaster
Khzyx wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
Raja_Kentut wrote:
God created men, and men created houdini the chess engine. Houdini can't even make the PC that it resides on. Comparing God to houdini is stupid.

I know right?  The very concept of the created being better at something than the creator... it's just ludicrous.

Well, i reluctantly approve of the reposted reply -_-.

Why reluctantly? Cry

macer75
waffllemaster wrote:
Khzyx wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
Raja_Kentut wrote:
God created men, and men created houdini the chess engine. Houdini can't even make the PC that it resides on. Comparing God to houdini is stupid.

I know right?  The very concept of the created being better at something than the creator... it's just ludicrous.

Well, i reluctantly approve of the reposted reply -_-.

Why reluctantly?

Well... humans created Houdini, and Houdini is better than humans at chess.

macer75
Khzyx wrote:
macer75 wrote:
Xyzez wrote:
macer75 wrote:

... and the case is your coffin.

As for the free will part, you may have free will to go where you want and do what you like, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. Say, for example, if one country invades another country, then that's a big thing for people across the globe. but if you look at it from the perspective of the universe, why does anything that happens on one tiny planet out of Billions (?) matter? Even if earth, or the entire Milky Way were suddenly destroyed, why would that matter?

What you said isn't even worth reading, some people don't get proper burials or caskets, you think you're smart but you're kinda stupid.

smart or stupid... in the end does it matter?

You crazy wretched little worm, it does, and for the record, you actually are insane.

Thanks for the compliment dude! I take pride in the fact that I am considered insane by many of the members of mainstream human society.

Justified08

well God is perfect, while Houdini is almost perfect.

Therefore God will win.

Justified08

God would probably tap that dumb software with his fingernail and it would become nothing

InDetention

yes,but 'od 'would 'evever cheat.

chiaroscuro62

C'mon - the fact is that I can make Houdini better.  For instance go set up bishop and pawn endings and see how well Houdini plays them.  Given adequate time and a much more modest engine, I can beat Houdini at these endings reasonably often.  And lots of people here regularly kick the crap out of me.  But nobody has written a bishop and pawn endings module for Houdini so it just uses not very smart heuristics. 

Cret1n

I wonder what proportion of very strong chess players actually believe in 'God'...I mean, hardly any Nobel Prize winners in the sciences believe that the best attempt at explaining how everything 'got here' is to invoke the supernatural [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology ] 

Perhaps the reason so many hackers here believe that an undetectable 'force' outside the laws of physics actually 'thought' matter and energy into existence is simply because, they spend too much time stuffing around at chess & pretty much anything else they turn their attention to! Finding out the truth of our existence is a long & complicated endeavour...and I'm now sure it has nothing to do with our imaginary best friend. i.e God

[But if we play the thought-experiment above and re-word it to ask who would win in a contest between the perfect chess player & good old Houdini the chess-engine, it becomes a no brainer doesn't it??]

zborg

Clearly this a no-brainer thead.  Somewhere between Wiki and Marvel comics.

chiaroscuro62
Cret1n wrote:

I wonder what proportion of very strong chess players actually believe in 'God'...I mean, hardly any Nobel Prize winners in the sciences believe that the best attempt at explaining how everything 'got here' is to invoke the supernatural [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology ] 

Perhaps the reason so many hackers here believe that an undetectable 'force' outside the laws of physics actually 'thought' matter and energy into existence is simply because, they spend too much time stuffing around at chess & pretty much anything else they turn their attention to! Finding out the truth of our existence is a long & complicated endeavour...and I'm now sure it has nothing to do with our imaginary best friend. i.e God

[But if we play the thought-experiment above and re-word it to ask who would win in a contest between the perfect chess player & good old Houdini the chess-engine, it becomes a no brainer doesn't it??]

I talk about God all the time when I talk about chess, math, physics, etc. without expressing any particular religious belief.  To quote someone on your list of atheists (Paul Erdos) "You don't have to believe in God, but you need to believe in The Book [of God which contains the perfect answers to all mathematical questions]".  Not only do I believe in God's math book, but I believe in God's chess book.  I believe that it is a little more opaque than many other members of chess.com believe it is.