True. And really, I was thinking more of the 'super lop sided, no way to possibly lose unless you just have a brain aneurysm in the middle of making a move' type games.
For instance, I have played numerous games in which I was forced to go through entire R+K vs lone king mating routines. That is incredibly annoying and time consuming when you only have two 'conditional move' lines like I do.
Firstly .. TWO lines?? .. Is Teary a Pay member? or Is there some Other way to get more than just One line??
Maybe, if Chess.com still feels it'll be a "selling point" to Only allow paying members infinite lines .. they could at least offer insentives .. *win X # of games, get an extra line* thus breeding Some loyalty, which in turn means more people seeing the Ads that appear
Secondly .. *ponders what brought up this query*
Thirdly .. There are times Ish wishes someone would just resign/decides to "just resign" .. but this is rare .. One of the advantages of Chess.com Over Gameknot, for free players, is the fact that, as of yet, there seems to be No Cap on how many games one can have active at one time .. In the case of GK, a clear, at least in the eyes of One of the players, Landslide match would be very frustrating if drug out, as the Winning player likely wants to move on to "bigger and better things" .. However, since there is no apparent limit on Open Games on Chess.com then it doesn't seem like an especially "big deal" to Ish
As for the main query at hand
"How do you treat non-resigners?
a) Willing to accept rematch offers freely (or decline for any reason other than their refusal to resign in the last game, e.g., rating difference is too large).
b) Stick them on your permanent 'do not play' list.
c) Stick them on your 'do not play' list and send them angry messages afterwards chastising them for wasting so much of your time.
d) Other
P.S., this question is targeted solely at correspondence games, where their is theoretically no time pressure to influence play. Live games are not applicable unless the example is just egregiously bad."
First, thanks for showing recognition to there being a difference between C v OTB Chess .. though having Some sort of time limit may be prudent with OTB .. and as it is, when accepting a Game/Issuing a Challenge, Both parties ARE agreeing to the time limit .. *am oft amazed when a player accepts, for instance, a 14 DPM match, then gets annoyed if a move isn't made Daily*
Probably D would be the Choice of Ish
It really depends case by case, and player(s) by player(s)
Example, if someone is/seems to be, Clearly Dragging their feet the whole match, example, waiting til 2 minutes before time out for each move .. or is Visibly rude .. or just isn't enjoyable, then certainly,
"Don't play them again" .. simple as that
As for WHY you don't play them .. if they ask, you can tell them *which might be prudent if they repeatedly send requests .. showing a sign of "Not Getting It"*
While it may make sense to issue a POLITE suggestion for resignation *IE .. don't say "You're dead .. Only a FOOL would continue to play"* during the match, sending an Angry letter, especially afterwards .. just seems kinda petty *not saying Ish hasn't done so before/after this posting*
Actually had 2 opponents resign whilst in Regeneration Mode .. Ticked Ish off ..
There does seem something, somewhat, RUDE about just ending a match like that, kinda like the difference between being declared "Innocent on ALL counts" v being declared "Not Guilty" .. they both end "good" for you .. but NG/Resignation just seems a bit hollow/incomplete
if my opponent seems a nice guy and all then Ill take a rematch, but when they havent resigned in positions where im up a queen and a rook etc then it puts me off playing them again. A rematch is unlikely to be competitive anyway
I simply dont play such people if I know they are like that in advance.
Just play on untill you mate him or let his clock run down.
I think it's funny how people come here to play chess, then complain because they have to play chess (when their opponent won't quit).
Personally, when I'm one or two moves from checkmate, I'd prefer playing it out rather than having my opponent resign. It just seems to give the win just a bit more satisfaction.
teary, your remarks should apply to both cc and live chess. When I play a 15' game and my opponent (as an example) loses his queen after a couple of minutes and loses badly, if he makes me wait 10-12 minutes before I can enjoy my win, this is also an abuse. I could use my precious time to play another game. Instead, my sore loser of opponent makes me wait and wait and wait and wait.
What's worse, a sore loser or a sore winner?
I've found most people are understanding. I've recently played an opponent who "forced" me to mate his k with my r+k. Being a newbie I enjoyed the chance to practice the move. I can see that it can be a bit annoying for someone who really knows how to play. I have another match where I'm definately down in points but I asked my opponet if he minds if we play on so I can get the practice. If he didn't agree I would have cordially bowed out. Courtesy, Respect, and Manners will go a long way :)
Nobody is obligated to resign because YOU think they are busted.
If you are truly winning, checkmate them! Preferably before YOUR clock runs out.
I still maintain the vast majority of these "my opponent won't resign" thread posters are from people who can't or don't know how to finish the job and expect their opponent to just roll over.
Posting in the weekly resigner whiner threads is how they blow off steam.
While Ish agree with the fact that NO ONE is "obligated" to resign, Ish will say .. Teary is NOT someone who doesn't know how to finish a match .. It does sound like Patience could be an issue, though*
The only? time someone Truly got angry with Ish, was when Ish wouldn't resign early in our match .. The person said something like "Resignation is the only option" .. Ish reversed it and said the Person was free to resign if they wish *an attempt at humor* .. When our game ended, the person even put Ish on their profile as THE player to not play against .. It felt like such an honour
why should anyone resign? you never know when your opponent might utterly botch a move and let you back in the game. certainly, i've botched enough moves to know this happens.
btw, i also believe all putts should be played out. no gimmes, in my book.
Well...I have resorted to that occasionally, though really more out of jest than out of spite (because nobody in their right mind can hate Ish :D ).
For instance: putting on an epic pawn race between one of my pawns and the enemy king, culminating in me beating him by one square! Only, instead of a promoting to a Queen and finishing him off, I will pick...a Knight! Then I will let my opponent take the Knight, only to start another epic pawn race on the other side of the board and choose...another Knight! Muahaha! >:)
Ish, the other person I ever thought was effective with that "speak of myelf in the thrird person" was The Rock. If you are The Rock incognito that's OK :-)
As for me I have no problem with people not resigning as long as they don't drag out the time limit every single move and of course I make due allowance for strength of the player. However I would avoid them if possible in the future.
Having said all that my opponent in this game was right to drag it out as I played two moves in the wrong order, intending originally 38 Bc1 before playing Kf5 and had to resign myself straight away in what was a totally winning game for me originally when I played 38 Kf5 first ...
http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=42763223#
I'll repeat myself:
If you're U1500 here (or perhaps even U1800 here), you probably shouldn't resign. You should continue playing at the same pace and not try for a death gambit. You should not slow down to try to win on time, or drag out the inevitable just because you made a mistake.
If you're +2000 here in correspondence chess, you know enough about chess to know when the position is absolutely hopeless. Resign when the position is beyond all hope. And get ready to play another fun game!
What he said.
BTW, mistakes are often made - just because you have a "winning" position doesn't mean you've won the game. I occasionally let an opponent get his "4 queens" (or some other form of toying with me), but I'll be the one laughing if his internet goes down for 3 days or when he gives me the game because he doesn't know how to convert his advantage into a quick way to finish it.
I'll repeat myself:
If you're U1500 here (or perhaps even U1800 here), you probably shouldn't resign. You should continue playing at the same pace and not try for a death gambit. You should not slow down to try to win on time, or drag out the inevitable just because you made a mistake.
If you're +2000 here in correspondence chess, you know enough about chess to know when the position is absolutely hopeless. Resign when the position is beyond all hope. And get ready to play another fun game!
Nuts!
I don't care what your rating is, if you're down to a k vs. k+r endgame, it's time to resign.
I have a player who is currently one move away from mate against me who offered me a draw! Surely there needs to be an element of respect towards the player, the game and oneself which isn't displayed by hoping for boredom to set in or an internet connection to be lost.
I also hope that when I play a player that their grade is representative of their level rather being a deceitfully gained fallacy.
If the game's lost, swallow your selfish pride and resign, for the good of the game.
As stated, Rarely is the Kobi Maru as clear cut as it seems
That said, Ish generally doesn't do the "toying around" thing .. unless the player REALLY had Ish penned in and slipped, or Ish and Opponent go at it quite often .. For one thing, ignoring the risk of coming across as rude/being insulting/degrading to the opponent, The toyer risks slipping up and faltering with the Toyee
At the end of the day. There is nothing you can do about it. I see it all the time. 2 queens and king against a king, and still play
yeeeeee haaaaaa!!!!
Nobody is obligated to resign because YOU think they are busted.
If you are truly winning, checkmate them! Preferably before YOUR clock runs out.
I still maintain the vast majority of these "my opponent won't resign" thread posters are from people who can't or don't know how to finish the job and expect their opponent to just roll over.
Posting in the weekly resigner whiner threads is how they blow off steam.
Well said. I agree.
I'll repeat myself:
If you're U1500 here (or perhaps even U1800 here), you probably shouldn't resign. You should continue playing at the same pace and not try for a death gambit. You should not slow down to try to win on time, or drag out the inevitable just because you made a mistake.
If you're +2000 here in correspondence chess, you know enough about chess to know when the position is absolutely hopeless. Resign when the position is beyond all hope. And get ready to play another fun game!
Wow, talk about summing up the issue in just a few simple words. Fezzik I think shows what this could really be about: lack of respect.
Doing as Fezzik said and forcing a, for example, 1700 rated player to completely play out a K vs. K+R endgame in a correspondence match (which could potentially drag the game out for weeks) is certainly disrespectful, because you are giving off the message that you think the opponent is a complete idiot that doesn't know how to finish basic endgames. As a 1650'ish player, I would certainly feel intellectually insulted if Fezzik forced me through a 20+ move basic endgame that even beginning players learn in their first lessons.
And even a 1500 rated player is certainly not a drooling, half-brain dead novice that will make blunders constantly and give up all his pieces in 10 moves or less (though it may seem that way to a 2300+ rated player, but that is a perspective issue). 1500 and up players are still decent, above average players.
"We should never sacrifice respect and good etiquette merely to win a boardgame."
If I am down to just a King vs. a King and Rook (since that is the running example here), then I would grant to my opponent dignity and respect by 1) assuming that he can execute the mate properly and then 2) resigning. Even if I might have had a small chance of my opponent royally screwing up and drawing the game (or timing out), fostering good sportsmanship and creating quality relationships would outweigh disrespecting the opponent in order to take that chance, regardless of my opponents rating.
a) Willing to accept rematch offers freely (or decline for any reason other than their refusal to resign in the last game, e.g., rating difference is too large).
b) Stick them on your permanent 'do not play' list.
c) Stick them on your 'do not play' list and send them angry messages afterwards chastising them for wasting so much of your time.
d) Other
P.S., this question is targeted solely at correspondence games, where their is theoretically no time pressure to influence play. Live games are not applicable unless the example is just egregiously bad.