The Female Brain Relating to Chess (kinda)

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jesterville

Kupov3,

There is a current British Documentary which I saw recently (still trying to pin-point it)...which discussed a similar scenario. The general theory dealt with the hormone Testosterone which is at the same level in all babies up until six weeks, then spikes in the male. The whole topic dealt with the differences between the male and female brain as it related to people skills, apathy, dexterity, behavior etc.

Male and Female volunteers were part of a study done, relating their Testosterone levels to their behaviors. It was pretty interesting, with a world wide survey done as well.

The general conclusions suggested that the sexes are wired differently, with specific reference to Testosterone levels. There however, was no mention of any correlation to intelligence.

RC_Woods
jesterville wrote:

Kupov3,

There is a current British Documentary which I saw recently (still trying to pin-point it)...which discussed a similar scenario. The general theory dealt with the hormone Testosterone which is at the same level in all babies up until six weeks, then spikes in the male. The whole topic dealt with the differences between the male and female brain as it related to people skills, apathy, dexterity, behavior etc.

Male and Female volunteers were part of a study done, relating their Testosterone levels to their behaviors. It was pretty interesting, with a world wide survey done as well.

The general conclusions suggested that the sexes are wired differently, with specific reference to Testosterone levels. There however, was no mention of any correlation to intelligence.


There have been other studies as well, showing physical differences in the brain. That strongly suggests mental differences in my book.

Of course, nurture has its influence on the evolution of the brain too. I've read an article that claimed both medicine and 'just' intensive therapy can have similar effects on chemical processes up there. So a biological difference at any point doesn't necessarily prove there is an innate difference.

Still, I find the effort to argue completely and utterly against the hypothesis that there are innate differences a strange one.

While there is no abundance of evidence, there is no abundance of evidence against it either. The whole topic is part of ongoing research, and it should be clear that understanding the brain in general is not proving to be an easy task.

Those that argue you can only ever go on the results of extensive studies are missing the point in science. We can't study every possible hypothesis, you simply have to select ones that appear to have some potential.

I find the hypothesis that there are innate differences between men and women quite reasonable, and I'd be interested to see definite results. To argue that the existence of such differences is very unlikely suggests more of a political agenda to me than anything else. I don't have such an agenda.

That individual cases may go against the average is something I'd expect in advance. It would invalidate nothing. If in this area of research suddenly we can't look at averages, again, I smell politics rather than science.

Cry_Wolf
trysts wrote:

The "straw man fallacy" does not apply. Charity may...


No... of course not... I clearly stated that there was a "Common Knowledge Society"... dumbass

And @ ivandh: I made a claim, backed it up with facts, and have gotten support from many forum posters. Ive clearly lost.. how, exactly?

Kupov3

lol

Kupov3
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Kupov3
ChaozFilms wrote:

Eh...just look at the Top Chess Ratings List...it's pretty clear what gender has the better brain.  Case closed.


True that. Guys tend to perform way better at D&D table games as well so clearly we also have better imaginations.

I've never even heard of a female starcraft or warcraft three professional, so men can obviously also make decisions faster and perform more actions per minute with a standard mouse and keyboard.

Geez... the feminist dream is pretty far from being realised.

trysts
Cry_Wolf wrote:
trysts wrote:

The "straw man fallacy" does not apply. Charity may...


No... of course not... I clearly stated that there was a "Common Knowledge Society"... dumbass


Hilarious! You're almost completely empty of knowledge, sense of humour, understanding, etc! It's like talking to a victim of brain damage. I am glad you brought my ass into this, as it will respond to all proceeding posts from you out of sympathyLaughing

Cry_Wolf
trysts wrote:

I am a rapist.


See that? That's the calibur argument you're making. You're a prime example of why women shouldn't be allowed out of the kitchen. Plus, I've got one thing going for me that you dont... You see, unlike you, I haven't long ago soiled my reputation on these forums. I still have credibility, which is evident from the fact that people believe me.

oinquarki

I am changing my stance on this forum from "be open minded" to "end the nonsense".

MyCowsCanFly
woodshover wrote:
ivandh wrote:

There has never been a black WC either. Does that mean that people of African descent are predisposed to suck at chess? Of course not.

Looking at historical records is much like looking at statistical averages and medians. They provide a vague picture of a general trend.


 I agree.


 I agree with Woodshover, agreeing with Ivandh.

goldendog
Kupov3 wrote:

I've never even heard of a female starcraft or warcraft three professional,

Geez... the feminist dream is pretty far from being realised.


It's okay to make tossgirl pout, but please don't make her cry.

Cry_Wolf
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
woodshover wrote:
ivandh wrote:

There has never been a black WC either. Does that mean that people of African descent are predisposed to suck at chess? Of course not.

Looking at historical records is much like looking at statistical averages and medians. They provide a vague picture of a general trend.


 I agree.


 I agree with Woodshover, agreeing with Ivandh.


While that may be true, there are FAR more women chess players than black chess players. If there were as many black players as women players, I'm sure we would see a black WCC

themothman

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electricpawn
themothman wrote:

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 Best post in the thread.

ivandh
Cry_Wolf wrote:
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
woodshover wrote:
ivandh wrote:

There has never been a black WC either. Does that mean that people of African descent are predisposed to suck at chess? Of course not.

Looking at historical records is much like looking at statistical averages and medians. They provide a vague picture of a general trend.


I agree.


I agree with Woodshover, agreeing with Ivandh.


While that may be true, there are FAR more women chess players than black chess players. If there were as many black players as women players, I'm sure we would see a black WCC


And if there were as many women players as men players, we would see a female WCC.

Cry_Wolf
ivandh wrote:

And if there were as many women players as men players, we would see a female WCC.


Thats possible... but the facts suggest it unlikely... There have been 15 world chess champions... I should think that at least one of them would be a women if they were as good at is as men are... It amazes me how you consistently pick and choose which facts you want to accept as truth.

ivandh
Cry_Wolf wrote:
ivandh wrote:

And if there were as many women players as men players, we would see a female WCC.


Thats possible... but the facts suggest it unlikely... There have been 15 world chess champions... I should think that at least one of them would be a women if they were as good at is as men are... It amazes me how you consistently pick and choose which facts you want to accept as truth.


No snot... you say that there are no black WCCs because there are few black players, but the lack of female players has nothing to do with there being no female WCCs? Who is picking their facts here?

Cry_Wolf

There is no lack of female players, idiot!!!

rnunesmagalhaes

Having an exciting weekend, kids?

If this thread weren't populated by some of the forum stars, it would be locked a while ago. The internets is the internets and apparently it doesn't get better just because this is a chess site.

/rant

ivandh

"Researchers at [Oxford] university's Department of Experimental Psychology discovered that 96 per cent of the difference in performance can be accounted for by the vastly greater numbers of men who play."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4359299/Women-are-just-as-good-at-chess-as-men-but-they-just-dont-like-game-says-Oxford-study.html

Insults do not make you right, they make you wrong.

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