The Secret of Chess

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Well, that didn't take long. Game on then. 

Drewsef916
Pasting a comment on this guy from chessbase
 
 
moderncheckers 4 hours ago
 
This article got me interested in the book and in its author, Lyudmil Tsvetkov, and I spent the last couple of hours reading some of the author's contributions in Talk Chess, Rybkaforum and chess dot com. Unfortunately, the recent contributions seem to me to consist mostly of: the author's boasting of his playing strength of 2600 or even 2800 level; pasting the games he has won against the top engines with a massive time handicap (as far as I could see, the engines never get more than 2'+2''/move); responding not always diplomatically (despite his diplomatic past) to the critique; and declining any proposals of a match against an engine played in controlled environment (often saying that the current engines are "too weak" for such a match to make sense) or of any other way of verifying the author's playing strength. I failed to find any real programming suggestions. I apologize if my search was not thorough enough, and if the suggestions are indeed there. 

I find it strange that the author of the book claims he has been spending five hours every day on chess – and yet somehow he could not find a week to play in an OTB tournament to test his ideas, or even play any games online. 

The book was written before the AlphaZero – Stockfish match, by the way. 

Given that Nimzowitsch and Kmoch were among the best chess players of their days, while the credentials of Mr. Tsvetkov are unknown, I am afraid that the worth of the book might be closer to "English As She Is Spoke" by Pedro Carolino than to masterpieces such as "My System" and "Pawn Power in Chess". An open-minded chess player might still find some inspiration in it, just as an English speaker might likely find some kind of inspiration in "English As She Is Spoke", but I myself would rather stick to well-proven methods. 

An idea is never good just because it is new. In fact, most ideas are bad: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Most_ideas_are_bad 
Before spending my time on a new chess method, I would like to see some proof of its potential efficacy, which the author has not really provided. For the time being, I see no reason to accept his extraordinary claims (e.g. that the French defence is losing for black or that the assessment of the two positions diagrammed in this review – the main difference between which is the presence or absence of light-squared bishops – differs so much that one of them is losing and the other one is winning for white).
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
hitthepin wrote:
1... Rxg5 2. Nxg5 Rxg5 3. hxg5 Qh7 gives black a strong attack.

And then after 4. gf6, capturing the knight, you simply resign...

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
CheesyPuns wrote:

actually just a repost with a introduction, but shoudl be great publicity!

Indeed, currently 'The Secret of Chess' is number 1 in chess books in the Kindle store and 5th of all chess books(actually 7th now).

https://www.amazon.com/Chess-Board-Games-Puzzles-Books/b?ie=UTF8&node=4406

(click to the right)

 

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
GWTR wrote:
CheesyPuns wrote:

breaking news! chessbase publishes article on The Secret of Chess!

 

https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-secret-of-chess

 

"Other chess reviewers have been at best dismissal and at worst harshly critical of The Secret of Chess, by Lyudmil Tsvetkov. However, according to GM David Smerdon, this book is a one of a kind work that legitimately has the potential to revolutionise how we think about chess."

 

To which "[o]ther chess reviewers" is GM Smerdon's referring?  Amazon?

Maybe just a figure of speech, but he knows best the tens of GMs who have done so...

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Drewsef916 wrote:
Pasting a comment on this guy from chessbase
 
 
moderncheckers 4 hours ago
 
This article got me interested in the book and in its author, Lyudmil Tsvetkov, and I spent the last couple of hours reading some of the author's contributions in Talk Chess, Rybkaforum and chess dot com. Unfortunately, the recent contributions seem to me to consist mostly of: the author's boasting of his playing strength of 2600 or even 2800 level; pasting the games he has won against the top engines with a massive time handicap (as far as I could see, the engines never get more than 2'+2''/move); responding not always diplomatically (despite his diplomatic past) to the critique; and declining any proposals of a match against an engine played in controlled environment (often saying that the current engines are "too weak" for such a match to make sense) or of any other way of verifying the author's playing strength. I failed to find any real programming suggestions. I apologize if my search was not thorough enough, and if the suggestions are indeed there. 

I find it strange that the author of the book claims he has been spending five hours every day on chess – and yet somehow he could not find a week to play in an OTB tournament to test his ideas, or even play any games online. 

The book was written before the AlphaZero – Stockfish match, by the way. 

Given that Nimzowitsch and Kmoch were among the best chess players of their days, while the credentials of Mr. Tsvetkov are unknown, I am afraid that the worth of the book might be closer to "English As She Is Spoke" by Pedro Carolino than to masterpieces such as "My System" and "Pawn Power in Chess". An open-minded chess player might still find some inspiration in it, just as an English speaker might likely find some kind of inspiration in "English As She Is Spoke", but I myself would rather stick to well-proven methods. 

An idea is never good just because it is new. In fact, most ideas are bad: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Most_ideas_are_bad 
Before spending my time on a new chess method, I would like to see some proof of its potential efficacy, which the author has not really provided. For the time being, I see no reason to accept his extraordinary claims (e.g. that the French defence is losing for black or that the assessment of the two positions diagrammed in this review – the main difference between which is the presence or absence of light-squared bishops – differs so much that one of them is losing and the other one is winning for white).

Correction: the alleged 5 daily hours are actually 16.

How did you manage to pick the about only negative review from a bunch of 20?

breakingbad12

Remember, guys. Lyudmil is allegedly better than Stockfish but gives no evidence. In other words, he's better than any super GM 

 

LOL

mcris
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

I would not like this thread to morph into a small-talk one, so here my Christmas puzzle to you:

 

Black to play and win.

 This is one of my composed positions.

Anything wrong with the line:

1... Ne4 2. Qb2+ Qg7 3. Qxg7+ R6xg7 4. Bf4 Nc3 5. Rd2 Ne2+ 6. Rxe2 fxe2 7.Re1 Bg6 8. Rxe2 Re8 9. Bg5 Rf7 10. Ra2 Be4 11. Kf1 Kg7 12. Ke1 Rd7 13. Ra3 Ne7 14. Bd1 Ng6 15. Be2 Rf7 16. Ra1 Ref8 17. Bf4 Nxf4 18. gxf4 Re8 19. Kd2 Bf3 20. Bf1 Kf6 21. Bd3 g3 22. fxg3 Rg7 23. Rf1 Rxg3 24. Rf2 Be4 25. Bf1 Bf5 26. Re2 Bg4 27. Re1 Bf3 28. Bd3 Rg4 29. Bh7 Rg2+ 30. Kc3 Be2 31. e4 Rg3+ 32. Kd2 Bxc4 33. Bf5 Rf3 34. Rg1 Rxf4 35. Rg5 Rxh4 36. Rg2 Bxb5 37. Ke3 Rh1 38. Bh7 Re1+ 39. Kd2 Ra1 40. Ke3 Rh8 41. Rf2+ Ke7 42. Bf5 Ra3+ 43. Kf4 Rg8 44. Rf3 Rxf3+ 45. Kxf3 c4 46. Ke3 c3 47. e5 dxe5 48. Bb1 Rf8 49. d6+ Kxd6 50. Be4 h4 51. Bb1 h3 52. Be4 h2 53. Bg2 Bxa6 54. Bb7 Bxb7 55. Kd3 h1=Q 56. Kc2 Qa1 57. Kd3 Qb2 58. Kc4 Ba6#  ?

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

Chris, I don't want what position you are referring to: after Ne4, Qb2 check is not possible.

No, Ne4 is not the winning move, it just draws after Be7 Nd2 Rd2.

 

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

Here another review, very short: https://www.welshccf.org.uk/article/325
by Russell Sherwood of the Welsh Corresponcence Chess Federation(thanks Russell).

It is for the first time someone puts me on the Fringe, I am very happy.
'The Secret of Chess' convincingly beats ARB and Berliner, on equal terms with Shashin.

mcris
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Chris, I don't want what position you are referring to: after Ne4, Qb2 check is not possible.

No, Ne4 is not the winning move, it just draws after Be7 Nd2 Rd2.

 

Hi! My bad, forgot a black pawn.

Pikelemi
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Here another review, very short: https://www.welshccf.org.uk/article/325
by Russell Sherwood of the Welsh Corresponcence Chess Federation(thanks Russell).

It is for the first time someone puts me on the Fringe, I am very happy.
'The Secret of Chess' convincingly beats ARB and Berliner, on equal terms with Shashin.

 

Taken from that review: "The major problem with the book is the writing style – it has the feel of a maths textbook and is a very heavy read, with no real indication of how to put the ideas into practice."

zborg

If you watch players rated 2500+, and internationally ranked players, in Game in 3/0, you will find yourself chockablock with new ideas to use in your games.  Except when these strong player games go into silly time scrambles that get lost in a blur of weak moves.

 

But overall, the GMs, IMs, etc., often times play 50+ moves without being in a time scramble, so there is lots to learn, JUST BY WATCHING these games.  happy.png

 

P.S., as per the current thread discussion -- beating chess engines in CC chess is utterly boring to me.  But whatever floats your boat.  Just Enjoy It.

 

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Pikelemi wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Here another review, very short: https://www.welshccf.org.uk/article/325
by Russell Sherwood of the Welsh Corresponcence Chess Federation(thanks Russell).

It is for the first time someone puts me on the Fringe, I am very happy.
'The Secret of Chess' convincingly beats ARB and Berliner, on equal terms with Shashin.

 

Taken from that review: "The major problem with the book is the writing style – it has the feel of a maths textbook and is a very heavy read, with no real indication of how to put the ideas into practice."

Why don't you post the whole review?

Here it is: This is the most modern of the four books here and is a child of the chess engine age. The author has spent a significant amount of time playing against and analysis the methods of Chess Engine Evaluation. His first book is mainly aimed at Chess Engine Authors and includes a large number of evaluation criteria and what he believes the values should be.  These evaluation criteria include a lot of hitherto unconsidered ideas, which could give benefits if exploited. The major problem with the book is the writing style – it has the feel of a maths textbook and is a very heavy read, with no real indication of how to put the ideas into practice. The authors 2nd and 3rd books are examples of his victories against Chess Engines. Whilst very interesting I believe a synthesis of the concepts would have helped the reader somewhat who has to rely on working through all the games.   What is the value of this body of work, personally I believe for the more advanced CC player this could be a useful book to work through but it is not a page-turner!

 

I have underlined the positive moments: do you like it like that?

 

If it is better than Berliner, than it is something.

GWTR

Very good review.  To the extent the reviewer's comments give you "food for thought," even better.

Pikelemi
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
Pikelemi wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Here another review, very short: https://www.welshccf.org.uk/article/325
by Russell Sherwood of the Welsh Corresponcence Chess Federation(thanks Russell).

It is for the first time someone puts me on the Fringe, I am very happy.
'The Secret of Chess' convincingly beats ARB and Berliner, on equal terms with Shashin.

 

Taken from that review: "The major problem with the book is the writing style – it has the feel of a maths textbook and is a very heavy read, with no real indication of how to put the ideas into practice."

Why don't you post the whole review?

 

Because it is just some nonsense BS. Get a real chess player to review it. Let Jeremy Silman review it. He is very active on this page and very serious too. Lets hear what he have to say about it.

GWTR
Pikelemi wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
Pikelemi wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Here another review, very short: https://www.welshccf.org.uk/article/325
by Russell Sherwood of the Welsh Corresponcence Chess Federation(thanks Russell).

It is for the first time someone puts me on the Fringe, I am very happy.
'The Secret of Chess' convincingly beats ARB and Berliner, on equal terms with Shashin.

 

Taken from that review: "The major problem with the book is the writing style – it has the feel of a maths textbook and is a very heavy read, with no real indication of how to put the ideas into practice."

Why don't you post the whole review?

 

Because it is just some nonsense BS. Get a real chess player to review it. Let Jeremy Silman review it. He is very active on this page and very serious too. Lets hear what he have to say about it.

@smurfo is a real chess player

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
GWTR wrote:

Very good review.  To the extent the reviewer's comments give you "food for thought," even better.

Not very good, but to be above Berliner is still something.

When I add a huge explanatory section with lots of example games, I guess the book's appeal will change what concerns the standard chess player.

Anyway, Silman has made short work of Berliner, I read his review on KingPin magazine, and I could agree Silman writes good reviews.

Concerning Nimzovich, Kmoch and Berliner, I would agree with maybe 70% of what Nimzovich claims in terms of chess knowledge, only 30% of what Kmoch claims, and maybe 50% with Berliner. But then, "Pawn Power" is an extremely interesting read.

I understand though why more people will prefer Nimzovich to Kmoch: the first simply is closer to the chess truth and to the heart of the tournament chess player.

What concerns Shashin, "Best play" seems to be an original work(have not read it, just reviews), but apart from that, I should read the book to be able to comment.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Pikelemi wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
Pikelemi wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Here another review, very short: https://www.welshccf.org.uk/article/325
by Russell Sherwood of the Welsh Corresponcence Chess Federation(thanks Russell).

It is for the first time someone puts me on the Fringe, I am very happy.
'The Secret of Chess' convincingly beats ARB and Berliner, on equal terms with Shashin.

 

Taken from that review: "The major problem with the book is the writing style – it has the feel of a maths textbook and is a very heavy read, with no real indication of how to put the ideas into practice."

Why don't you post the whole review?

 

Because it is just some nonsense BS. Get a real chess player to review it. Let Jeremy Silman review it. He is very active on this page and very serious too. Lets hear what he have to say about it.

Very good idea.

I read Silman's review of 'The System' by Berliner here: http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/System-The-p3635.htm , and I liked it very much.

Can you please get in touch with Mr. Silman on my behalf? happy.png 

I am unable to find a contact, and, one way or another, he does not know me.

Although, if he wants to assassinate the book, this will be a good chance. But I don't believe that, as he insists on neutral, in-depth reviews.

mcris

Are you talking here about Hans Berliner or another one? After Fischer's era most World Champions switched to 1.d4.