Trick to drop opponent's connection?

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Caesar49bc

The app or whatever you use has something to give it timeframe to time out. I guess the actual lenght of time was set by a programmer. I would think there are guidelines or industry standards on how long. Also it could be the game server  that decides. I know networking, not programming, so that question is a bit out of my ballpark.

IMKeto
kthprog wrote:

 

IMBacon wrote:

 

kthprog wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:
Monie49 wrote:
Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

You have no idea what you are talking about.  Your internet connection drops many, many times a day, that you don't even notice.

Lol I promise you I know more of what I'm talking about than you would. Since there's no literal thing as a "connection" on the internet, my laptop does not fail to resolve a DNS address due to a lack of ability to communicate with DNS servers. If it happens, it's not happening in my view, and presumably their web sockets logic would be smart enough to attempt reconnection in those cases. Now if we're talking dropping packets then maybe that happens, but I don't think WebSockets works at a layer low enough for that to interrupt the abstract "connection" that the chess.com server checks. But if you wanna argue technical details we can get to the point of having TCP packet logs on this thread, or you can just take my word that my internet connection is good and has never dropped in any noticeable manner.

My ISP has a networking building a mile down the street I live on and I pay for their best non-commercial internet. I'm literally the last person that should ever have a connection drop on this website. If it's not someone manipulating the servers, it's chess.com.

You can use all the fancy words you want.  But when you post this: 

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

Like i said.  You do not know what you are talking about,

 

Yeah or you're just overconfident due to your ignorance. It would be like me telling you that you know nothing about chess, and saying you can use all these fancy terms like tactics and in between moves, but Im sure you dont know what youre talking about. Anyways you can think what you want im not going to educate you on internet protocols and communication layers just to prove im right anymore than youd sit and educate me on chess.

 

"It would be like me telling you that you know nothing about chess, and saying you can use all these fancy terms like tactics and in between moves"

You don't have to know how to play chess to be able to use these words.  There was this mother of a former student of mine, that had no desire t know anything about chess.  So when she would bring her son to tournaments, I would giver her "chess words" so it sounded like she knew what she was talking about. 

"...im not going to educate you on internet protocols and communication layers just to prove im right anymore than youd sit and educate me on chess."

You may very well be able to educate me on that stuff, and i certainly could educate you  regarding chess.  But, again...the point is that when you say things like: "This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection."

All i can surmise from that statement is that you do not understand how it works.  Im not picking on you, Im not saying youre ignorant in this.  Im just saying, you should be careful what words you choose.

 

mariners234

He demonstrated an API vulnerability.

You called ISP a "fancy word."

I think it's clear which of you is computer literate.

Caesar49bc

If 2 people want to have a cat fight, can you both switch to private messaging?

Numquam

My laptop sometimes loses connection for a few seconds. You only notice it when you are doing something which continuously needs a connection like a multiplayer game. I have lost bullet games due to this.

Homsar
Are you using the mobile version? I used to have the same problem, and after much testing and trying different devices (phone, iPad, laptop) I found that although I had disconnecting issues with mobile devices my laptop always worked fine

I think they have issues with the app and mobile versions of chess.com that never seem to get fixed, that’s why I never play live on them.
nau98

hola

congrandolor

it is horrible, utterly horrible...and fascinating

Moon482
kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

yes, I could confirm same symptoms. Especially, suddenly happens when opponent in losing state, or has no ideas .
Support bounced me. So they pretend they don't have security hole, I pretend I don't wanna spend money on chess.com and chesskid.com any longer.  
 

MGleason

If there was really a way to hack someone else's connection and forcibly disconnect them, and if it was as widespread as people think for people to be running into it on a regular basis, you would expect to see instructions online for how to do it, or videos of people doing it.  But a google search turns up nothing.

A more likely explanation would be an internet glitch or a server bug.

You notice the disconnects more when you're winning than in a game that you lost anyway.  To prove that it happens more when you're winning, you'd need to track your disconnections and log whether you were clearly winning, clearly losing, or it was still in the balance.  Do that for a period of time until you've logged a large number of disconnections.

Koala6

Why Chess.com does not pursue the players who trick the system and show that your connection is lost when you are clearly have overwhelmed the other player and are winning. I never lose connection when I am losing but sometimes when I am winning it shows I have lost connection and then I lose while all my wifi line shows on my computer that I have full and excellent connection. So these cheaters must be controlled and exposed and this is the responsibility of chess.com otherwise it is losing credibility for not being able to provide a safe and civilized environment for the chess enthusiasts who want to engage in an intellectual game and not a hooligan's way of thinking that winning is justifying any means.

MGleason

There is no hack to disconnect your opponent.  Connectivity issues could be caused by problems on your end, bugs on the server, or internet glitches somewhere between you and the server.  But their computer never talks to yours and they have no way of disconnecting you.

Koala6

Ya maybe MGleason, but it is odd that it only happens when I am in clear brilliant position and without the shadow of the doubt the game will end in my favour and never this happens when I am losing! So there might be something more to it than accepting that no one can manipulate the system as it only happens when I am winning and no connection quality is weakened  in actuality and only on the chess game system it claims this disconnection. Its just does not make sense as it seems it should! 

blueemu
Koala6 wrote:

... sometimes when I am winning it shows I have lost connection and then I lose while all my wifi line shows on my computer that I have full and excellent connection.

The WiFi line on your computer only indicates the connection between your computer and your router, right there in your home.

That means that the first 1/10,000th of the connection to chess.com is working properly...

Means nothing regarding disconnects.

Koala6

Does it not sound interesting to you that this happens ( whenever it happens), only when you are winning? Never when you are losing!

blueemu
Koala6 wrote:

Does it not sound interesting to you that this happens ( whenever it happens), only when you are winning? Never when you are losing!

Personally, I suspect confirmation bias. It only MATTERS to you when you are winning.

Koala6

if this would also happen when I am losing then your observation would have solid logical base, but is it not interesting or cause to ponder that this only happens when you are losing?

nighteyes1234
Koala6 wrote:

Does it not sound interesting to you that this happens ( whenever it happens), only when you are winning? Never when you are losing!

I just dont play then. The other site I do in rarely get disconnect but then I get restored in a few.

But on this site, you can be playing the winning move and you still lose, the second you disconnect. You are stuck trying to end the game and the piece goes back to the old spot as time runs out.Mate..piece goes back..Mate...piece goes back..try again should be mate..goes back...mate %#$$#....goes back..lol.

You can go to the forums in new browser and wait or you can watch the whole way.  But if you try to get into the game in new browser it accuses you of having 2 connections, even though 1 is supposedly dead. Thats why they say never resign ,your opponent can disconnect.

I dont wait that long and resign cilivilized so I guess thats the cost of that. Oh well.

Cant take online seriously.

Martin_Stahl
Koala6 wrote:

if this would also happen when I am losing then your observation would have solid logical base, but is it not interesting or cause to ponder that this only happens when you are losing?

 

You have 9 games lost by abandonment. How many of those were you in winning positions? 21 won by abandonment. How many of those were you winning?

Koala6

I wonder why some players make such comments defending the site and being rather unsympathetic to the fact that happens to many, yet they defend the system and argue as if one who has experienced this is just making a false observation. I wonder if they are actual players or planted site defenders? happy.png or maybe the ones who know how this takes place! lol Any how I think there a bit more than coincidences specially when it only happens when one is winning and never when one is losing!

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