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True or False Chess is a Draw with Best Play from Both Sides
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Yes, after billions of games and hundreds of years not even one game to show that a win can be forced from the opening position.
Optimissed wrote:
The thing is not about blunders, Some people seem to think a win can be forced without a blunder. Wrong. But they stick to their guns. No evidence for it though.
i put mistakes in the same category as brilliancies. just the other way around. and i do feel that a brilliancy can win a game w/out a mistake ever being made. inaccuracy ?...not sure if thats a half a mistake or what.
If your opponent makes a mistake [as defined in this forum] you do not need a brilliancy to win.
Real brilliancies are few and far between.
mk. so name a 'real' brilliancy.
[as defined in this forum]
but that doesnt make it correctly defined, right ?
ponz111 wrote:
Yes, after billions of games and hundreds of years not even one game to show that a win can be forced from the opening position.
ok. this is how it seems like chess advances out of the opening module...
lets say a opening novelty is introduced (re: N's can be 12-15 moves into a game, right ?). now the opp side gets bizzy & goes to work to find a reasonable ='izing refutation. ok. thats been the case...so far...a drawish ans has thus been discovered.
now. fonz ?...u assume that a refutation WILL be found. and this lets u say that chess izza draw. ok. so far so good. BUT UNTIL the refutation IS found ?...the game probably isnt a draw. will there ever be a breakthru ? not sure here. but i am comfortable saying that chess up to now seems like a draw. but im not making any promises that its gonna stay that way.
fonz, mosta ur experience is w/organic chess. no fault of ur own of course. ppl were still counting w/ their toes when u started back in 1840 (just teezing !). will silicons change all that ? maybe. lets watch and find out. or better yet ! lets get involved & start blockchaining ourselves & see what happens 
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ghosty lady You make lots of assumptions sometimes! 
Jul 19, 2021
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#8089
She is correctly pointing out that there is much that has not been explored and about which it is necessary to guess (while asserting the opinion that the guesses are reliable, with this being possible to demonstrate).
Jul 19, 2021
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#8090
ponz111 wrote:
Yes, after billions of games and hundreds of years not even one game to show that a win can be forced from the opening position.
Nor a single game to show a draw can be forced from the opening position.
Indeed, anyone who had access to such an unbeatable strategy (obviously a literal single game proves nothing at all) could avoid ever losing (including against the best players 10 years in the future, without any need for improvement in that time).
This forum did not define "brilliant move".
Although a "brilliant move" as in the past been a move that was novel and unexpected and effective as Optimissed mentions.
I disagree that it only has to be in over-the board play. Many years ago I used to play postal chess and sometimes did come up with "brilliant moves"
Here is one played about 50 years ago. White to play. [Illinois vs California board 1]
its a draw because you will trade everything including pawns.
ponz111 wrote:
Yes, after billions of games and hundreds of years not even one game to show that a win can be forced from the opening position.
Ponz111, consider renaming your thread as per your proposition above, and your "tread's technical opponents" will likely start to squirm. Ha!
People should realize that you took the Center Counter and the Ponziani Openings, dusted them off, and beat the pants off most of the Correspondent Chess Playing in the U.S.
That in itself gives you boatloads of STREET CRED with many of us. Ha! 
HN just said a few seconds ago in his twitch that AZ is 1000 elos higher than MC. he said AZ makes the best GMs in the world look like 'scrubs'.
https://www.twitch.tv/GMHikaru
Jul 19, 2021
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#8096
And slightly more "elos" higher than him, of course. But actually recent Stockfish versions are better than AlphaZero.
ponz111 wrote:
This forum did not define "brilliant move".
Although a "brilliant move" as in the past been a move that was novel and unexpected and effective as Optimissed mentions.
I disagree that it only has to be in over-the board play. Many years ago I used to play postal chess and sometimes did come up with "brilliant moves"
Here is one played about 50 years ago. White to play. [Illinois vs California board 1]
This is crazy. You’re still posting here after 8 years. This has to be a world record
Pretty much, yes, it is a draw. I’ve been playing with the maximum level engine on Assisted mode and the game always ends in a draw when I follow the computer’s directions.
By the way, if you noticed, Stockfish keeps the advantage at 0.0. If you manage to follow the engine’s directions, you should get a draw. And if a Stockfish 14 plays against another Stockfish 14, the game should end in a draw.
Even if the advantage goes up for one side by a bit, the other side should play a move that evens out the advantage back to 0.0. At some point in the game, both computers will repeat moves and end the game in a draw.
P.S. Great job keeping this post running for 8 years and over 9,350 posts!
By the way, if you noticed, Stockfish keeps the advantage at 0.0. If you manage to follow the engine’s directions, you should get a draw. And if a Stockfish 14 plays against another Stockfish 14, the game should end in a draw.
Even if the advantage goes up for one side by a bit, the other side should play a move that evens out the advantage back to 0.0. At some point in the game, both computers will repeat moves and end the game in a draw.
P.S. Great job keeping this post running for 8 years and over 9,350 posts!
Jul 19, 2021
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#8099
Elroch escribió:
And slightly more "elos" higher than him, of course. But actually recent Stockfish versions are better than AlphaZero.
That's been the case for a while.
Even the master of chess makes a blunder .so is not a draw ever time