What's is Magnus Carlsen's IQ?

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George1st, Post 30: Oh, yes, the criticisms based on practicality. Let's start here: If Magnus's obsession with chess is ridiculous, then how is dedicating one's life to music, art, or performing (they can only pretend to save lives!), any better? We have this thing called specialization -- yes, back in the neolithic era, most people were forced to be farmers or gatherers, to actually keep people from starving to death. As we got a surplus of food, we could specialize and discover other peculiarities of life. Were the Greek philosophers, or the artists and thinkers of the Renaissance "losers?"

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RikkiTikkiTavi, Post #59: Looks like somebody wants his social skills to be praised Smile

I agree with you on a lot of points; for instance, I think obsession, and love for the game, is a significant way to become a Super GM, although not necessarily the only one. However, to have so much focus on that one area of focus they are passionate about is simply very impressive to me nonetheless. Obviously you have to divide your time in some way: If you become good at everything, you might not be remembered for anything because you didn't do anything exceptional.

As far as the social goes: I wouldn't say being unpopular means you have bad social skills. All you have to do to be unpopular is to like to do things that are unpopular, difficult to understand, or narrow. Most people may naturally struggle to connect with you in that case; if your mannerisms and interests are exactly what people like, then being popular will be effortless, because you can be yourself and everything flows from there. If they aren't what people like, then you will be tempted to be more socially constrained. Pretty much every extrovert likes to do a variety of things, as this makes it easy for them to make all sorts of connections, with lots of different people. That's not necessarily a skill -- they just happen to have varied interests.

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I think there are certain things that artistic, abstract pursuits, like music or chess, can give that things that are more practical just couldn't. For example, being a farmer is certainly useful, but at the same time rather prosaic. The logical strain chess gives you forces you to do exceptional things just with your brain, and it's intriguing to see how a great mind can somehow manage to find good moves in a game that has such an overwhelming amount of possibilities, seemingly impossible for a human to make sense of.

I guess when you end the ride of being a GM, you look back and wow yourself at how much logical deduction or induction was able to do, even if such things were only on the board. The chess itself wasn't an application to real life, but the fascination resulting from it provides an exceptional kind of pleasure. And hey, what's the point of sustaining our life if we don't find actual pleasure in it?

Obviously you have to be practical in life at the same time. But there are lot of ways that both practical and abstract pursuits can produce satisfaction.

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Chess ability and intelligence are two different things.

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Like mine.  

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Greenmtnboy wrote:

I would guess around 190, but more the calculative, mathematical type rather than verbal and language skills.  

 

To be a true genius you should be able to speak half a dozen languages fluently, be able to do logarthmic equations in your head have a working knowledge of all the great works of literature (Adler-Van Doren list) going back to the Iliad.  To be a truly functional human being you should have good relationships with many people and on many levels, social, intellectual, familial, spiritual.  You should be healthy physically, able to split a cord of firewood a day by hand.  Too few of us fit into these categories....

Ha!  Man! your hands would be sore.  Or, can you just use the one hand?

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I would not be impressed if his IQ ranged from 120-140.

Einstein had a 160 IQ. You don't need a very high IQ to be a genius.

Being a genius means you can stop, think(or have an idea),  plan how to accomplish the idea and finally apply it.

Carlsen has a lot of dedication on chess(almost his whole life) and a mind that never forgets any of his games he ever played. He has an unusual talent/brain. Plus you know, pure talent. 

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Greenmtnboy wrote:

I would guess around 190, but more the calculative, mathematical type rather than verbal and language skills.  

 

To be a true genius you should be able to speak half a dozen languages fluently, be able to do logarthmic equations in your head have a working knowledge of all the great works of literature (Adler-Van Doren list) going back to the Iliad.  To be a truly functional human being you should have good relationships with many people and on many levels, social, intellectual, familial, spiritual.  You should be healthy physically, able to split a cord of firewood a day by hand.  Too few of us fit into these categories....

Viktor Korchnoi stated excellent chess players can be divided into two categories:

A. True creative geniuses capable to perform in science or art, but devoted to chess

B. Autistic morons unable to understand anything relevant aside from chess.

He gave examples:

A. Tal

B. Petrosian

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horse meat...delicious..can I order 2 steaks?

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What's IQ? I am being dead serious,as I have never taken up the test. and there is nothing in my life except physics, maths and chess. About Carlsen, I think it would be insulting if I made a guess. The thing I'm really interested is: How much moves forward could he see along with the variations???

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raziel9313 wrote:

horse meat...delicious..can I order 2 steaks?

Do you really have horse meat in your country?  I know it's not unheard of like it is in the US or UK.

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What is Magnus Carlsen's IQ?

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dancd wrote:

I would not be impressed if his IQ ranged from 120-140.

Einstein had a 160 IQ. You don't need a very high IQ to be a genius.

Being a genius means you can stop, think(or have an idea),  plan how to accomplish the idea and finally apply it.

Carlsen has a lot of dedication on chess(almost his whole life) and a mind that never forgets any of his games he ever played. He has an unusual talent/brain. Plus you know, pure talent. 

Einstein never took an IQ test.

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If any one of us would be so sucessful in chess as MC is, we also would be obsessed, he soundly can make a living just relying on his chess abilitys

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Expertise in a field and iq are only loosely correlated

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James_Bond_Fan wrote:

I thinki players like Carlsen have a huge staff of Granmasters proviging him with variations, openings, player-profiles soup to nuts. Players like Carlsen are fed with newest comp-lines (Fischer also critizised that, as far as i remember). That means  they dont need intelligence nor creativity. The only task they follow up is to recall lines, patterns and moves the up to date chessprograms gave them.This is professional sports, we only see the event, but not behind the scene.

Since an amateur has not such a staff behind working him, we have no chance.

lol how ignorant is that.

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You clearly don't understand what IQ measures, and more importantly, what it doesn't. 

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Kingpatzer wrote:

You clearly don't understand what IQ measures, and more importantly, what it doesn't. 

+1. IQ isn't the end all measure of intelligence and academic success, in particular.

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ClavierCavalier wrote:
raziel9313 wrote:

horse meat...delicious..can I order 2 steaks?

Do you really have horse meat in your country?  I know it's not unheard of like it is in the US or UK.

 

Yes we have...in some kind of goulash...its realy good... sweet taste..