When to pursue simpler chess goals?

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VladimirHerceg91

I write this today with great humility. I admit it. I concede. I surrender. 

Those who doubted me were right. For those who don't know, I wrote here a thread when I started my chess career, it was about my plans to become a GM. It was titled "How easy is to become a GM". I received a lot of backlash for that article, and I was quite upset. But now, after months of hard work , and with the inability to break that 1100 rating hump, I must concede. You were all correct, I have not achieved my goal. I have made huge strides, but have no GM title to show for it. I hope you all enjoy refreshing yourselves with my tears. 

So I ask, am I right to quit on my dream this early? Is it time to start pursuing simpler goals such as achieving a less formidable title (E.G. IM or NM). Or would this be a waste of time altogether? For any pursuit of less than the best is no pursuit at all. 

ArgoNavis

You are already GM. But all the negativity is this site has convinced you that you cannot play like a GM, hindering your play. It's all psychological

Cherub_Enjel

For reference - here are GM Hikaru's rating graph increases, since his very first tournament. 

 

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Erik_02

Um 1100 blitz does not equal 1800 otb lol.

VladimirHerceg91
2Q1C wrote:

First of all dude - Get a grip! You've been studying chess seriously, for what? 1 year?

Your 1100 rating is in blitz. Everyone knows you add another 700 points to get your real rating in long time controls. So achieving a 1800 rating in less than a year and you think you're doing bad? You're on your way dude, you just need to keep hitting the tactics trainer and you'll get there.

 

 

I understand that tactics are the most important part of the sport. But, chess.com has restricted me to only doing 5 tactics a day. Do you think it's because they don't want anymore GM's on the site?

VladimirHerceg91
Erik_02 wrote:

Um 1100 blitz does not equal 1800 otb lol.

I suppose this is the negativity that @kingofshedinjas was referring to. 

Erik_02

What you call negativity, I call reality.

Cherub_Enjel

Some commentary / facts:

*It took Hikaru 10 months to go up ~450 points since his first tournament: 680 to 1100+ - to go from a novice to an experience beginner. 

In terms of chess.com blitz/rapid ratings, this is about going from 900 to 1300 and 1100 to 1400, respectively.

*Transition to club level player: It took Hikaru 2 months to go up 200 points - from 1400 to 1600.

In terms of chess.com blitz/rapid ratings, this is about going from 1400 to 1600, and 1500 to 1700, respectively.

*Transition to intermediate level player: It took Hikaru 4 months to go up 300 points - from 15xx to 18xx. 

In terms of chess.com blitz/rapid ratings, this is about going from 1600 to 18/1900, and from 1700 to 18/1900, respectively. 

 

My live estimates are just that - estimates - and I'm betting that Hikaru, being the type of player he is, would be higher in the blitz/rapid ratings than I've estimated. 

 

The point is, if your rating improvement is nowhere near as fast as Hikaru's, who will unfortunately never be World Champion as long as Magnus Carlsen is alive, you are simply like the 5'4 kid who wants to be in the NBA - you simply don't have the talent to become a GM. 

And that's not something to be disappointed about - Chess is a game for fun. 

 

 

Cherub_Enjel

TLDR - in response to the OP's question:

After 23 months of being on this site, your rating in blitz is 1000. In half that time, a GM would have been already at least a 1500, and that's assuming that the GM just learned the game from the starting time. 

VladimirHerceg91
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

TLDR - in response to the OP's question:

After 23 months of being on this site, your rating in blitz is 1000. In half that time, a GM would have been already at least a 1500, and that's assuming that the GM just learned the game from the starting time. 

This is exactly my point. I know becoming GM is difficult. This is why I am debating whether or not I should give up on the dream to pursue an easy to get title like IM. 

Cherub_Enjel
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

TLDR - in response to the OP's question:

After 23 months of being on this site, your rating in blitz is 1000. In half that time, a GM would have been already at least a 1500, and that's assuming that the GM just learned the game from the starting time. 

This is exactly my point. I know becoming GM is difficult. This is why I am debating whether or not I should give up on the dream to pursue an easy to get title like IM. 

 

How about a "Category 1" title? USCF has these "mini-titles" for players who don't make it to master, but it shows that they can play a certain level. "Category 1" requires 3 norms of 2000+ performances and a peak rating of 1800+. 

How about trying that for now? And later, you can aspire higher.

I like how USCF gives these smaller titles.

VladimirHerceg91
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

TLDR - in response to the OP's question:

After 23 months of being on this site, your rating in blitz is 1000. In half that time, a GM would have been already at least a 1500, and that's assuming that the GM just learned the game from the starting time. 

This is exactly my point. I know becoming GM is difficult. This is why I am debating whether or not I should give up on the dream to pursue an easy to get title like IM. 

 

How about a "Category 1" title? USCF has these "mini-titles" for players who don't make it to master, but it shows that they can play a certain level. "Category 1" requires 3 norms of 2000+ performances and a peak rating of 1800+. 

How about trying that for now? And later, you can aspire higher.

I like how USCF gives these smaller titles.

But why not just go for the IM title? Recently some 10 year old was able to get it. Can't be too hard. 

VladimirHerceg91
2Q1C wrote:

First of all dude - Get a grip! You've been studying chess seriously, for what? 1 year?

Your 1100 rating is in blitz. Everyone knows you add another 700 points to get your real rating in long time controls. So achieving a 1800 rating in less than a year and you think you're doing bad? You're on your way dude, you just need to keep hitting the tactics trainer and you'll get there.

 

 

Yes I know that my OTB rating is probably around 1700-1900, but I feel like I've plateaued. 

MitSud
Easy to get!!! To get IM requires immense amounts of work if you're not some sort of super talent!!! And 1100 blitz or rapid is nowhere near 1800 OTB, it's probably about 1200 - 1300 OTB. Please to throw about any master title lightly they all take hard work.
Gs90
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Gs90
Gs90 wrote:

Wait another year, he will give up on IM title too. I don't have any problem on you pursuing IM title but saying it is easy to achieve is very funny.  You are believing 1100 rated player that 1100 blitz rating on chess.com is equal to 1800 otb and rejecing opinion of who are actually 1800 in otb. It is no more than 1300 otb. Sooner you get out of fantasy world better for you. Try competing in OTB tournaments you will know better.

 

MitSud
^ that is true
Daybreak57

I'm going to assume 2Q1C made up that  figure about 1100 in blitz on chess.com being equivalent to 1800 OTB for a side trolling job.  That just has to be the real  truth to it.  Whoever would be dumb enough to believe that nonsense anyway?  All online ratings are inflated.  Meaning, if you are 1200 in blitz here, your actual OTB rating would be much lower than that.  Not to mention, there is a little fact.  If you play mostly chess on the computer you will just not be as good at OTB.  A person aspiring to be a GM must go to regular tournaments, and play a lot of OTB.  They can't just get a 2600 on blitz and expect that to carry over to a GM title when playing over the board because it simply will not end of story.

dpnorman
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

TLDR - in response to the OP's question:

After 23 months of being on this site, your rating in blitz is 1000. In half that time, a GM would have been already at least a 1500, and that's assuming that the GM just learned the game from the starting time. 

This is exactly my point. I know becoming GM is difficult. This is why I am debating whether or not I should give up on the dream to pursue an easy to get title like IM. 

 

How about a "Category 1" title? USCF has these "mini-titles" for players who don't make it to master, but it shows that they can play a certain level. "Category 1" requires 3 norms of 2000+ performances and a peak rating of 1800+. 

How about trying that for now? And later, you can aspire higher.

I like how USCF gives these smaller titles.

I thought Category 1 requires more than three, no?

 

The reason I say this is that I've had four such norms and I don't have the title. Although two of those were in the past few weeks, so maybe it takes a bit.

Cherub_Enjel

I believe it's 3... and I think it does take some time for the norms to get into effect, so wait a bit.

I really like what USCF has done with the title system though - you no longer have to be super super serious about chess to be "titled" - as in reach 2200 FIDE, but instead they give you these smaller titles.

Also, good job maintaining your 1900.