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cabadenwurt
cabadenwurt
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Dec 28, 2013
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#301
cabadenwurt wrote:
brankz wrote:
ConnorMacleod_151 wrote:

IQ does'nt matter for chess.... what u need is a ...

Criminal Mindset.

 

yeah exactly. thanks for the admission.

--- Thanks for all of the new posts.

A criminal mindset or perhaps just a bit of a mean streak ? I think that the big letters got me  lol ).

brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#302
netzach wrote:

Intelligent people can be, and frequently are, dumb at chess. IQ is no guarantee of ability. Even devoted study will unlikely bring about achievement of GM (effectively ELO 2500+ nowadays) status unless natural talent at chess is present also.

well I don't agree. I think "chess talent" only comes into play if you are talking 2600 and above. possibly 2700 and above.

of course you can have two people with the same iq with one of them being better at chess than the other, just as you can have two people with the same iq with one of them being the better musician or athlete. but I don't think someone with only an average iq (100, 890 on the sat) will ever be able to become an FM or IM, they will likely peak at 2000-2100. and I think that everyone who does become an FM or IM or above has an iq of at least 125-130ish. no I have no exact mathematical equations to back up these claims. just common sense.

janniktr
janniktr
Dec 29, 2013
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#303

Chess talent, partially correlating with the IQ, also has influence on your speed of improvement when studying the same stuff with the same intensity etc. It is almost at every rating level good to have a higher IQ, due to the fact that you can calculate faster, and memorize your calculated lines.

Furthermore you are just putting up this thesis that nobody with average IQ can be FM or IM. It would now be interesting to do a research on the average IQ of the titled players (Expert, CM, FM, IM, GM, 2700+).

I do think that if the circumstances are not ideal for chess development, like in the extreme case you don't have a chess board, a high IQ doesn't help, but someone highly motivated with average IQ and better circumstances will do better. 

brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#304
janniktr wrote:

 (btw, the gap between 5 and 10 is pretty high...). 

 

how observant of you. just the typical time spans I observed when perusing the fide website rating progress charts. 

brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#305
janniktr wrote:

nobody with average IQ can be FM or IM. It would now be interesting to do a research on the average IQ of the titled players (Expert, CM, FM, IM, GM, 2700+).

 

yeah it probably would and I bet if someone did they would find that all players FM and above have at least a 125-130ish iq. (note the at least please)

brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#306

also since I know my iq is ~137 because I scored a 1400 on the sat http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx I know I would be able to become an IM (possibly a very low rated GM) with a peak rating around ~2450-2500 given ideal circumstances and conditions.  but I likely wouldn't get anywhere near 2600 and above no matter how hard I worked.

janniktr
janniktr
Dec 29, 2013
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#307

You are quoting me in a very inappropriate way.

janniktr
janniktr
Dec 29, 2013
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#308
brankz hat geschrieben:
janniktr wrote:

nobody with average IQ can be FM or IM. It would now be interesting to do a research on the average IQ of the titled players (Expert, CM, FM, IM, GM, 2700+).

 

yeah it probably would and I bet if someone did they would find that all players FM and above have at least a 125-130ish iq. (note the at least please)

I said: "Furthermore you are just putting up this thesis that nobody with average IQ can be FM or IM. It would now be interesting to do a research on the average IQ of the titled players (Expert, CM, FM, IM, GM, 2700+)."

You just left the "italic part" out of the quote.

brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#309
angrybirdstar wrote:

IQ is simply a measure of HOW you think, not how MUCH you think.  So, IQ is not really related to "smartness".

.......ok.........

brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#310
chess_gg wrote:
brankz wrote:

also since I know my iq is ~137 because I scored a 1400 on the sat http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx I know I would be able to become an IM (possibly a very low rated GM) with a peak rating around ~2450-2500 given ideal circumstances and conditions.  but I likely wouldn't get anywhere near 2600 and above no matter how hard I worked.

This is all nothing but hot air and W.A.S. (wild-assed speculation).

ummm no it's not I scored a 1400 on the sat thus my iq is 137 http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx.

and iq doesn't significantly change through the course of someone's life. it's like height, not weight. 

chess_can_be_fun
chess_can_be_fun
Dec 29, 2013
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#311

chess isn't a measure of intelligence so who cares

brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#312
Ziggyblitz wrote:

 

Of our three kids the one who is the best qualified and earns the most money also has the most enthusiasm and determination.

best qualified at what exactly? 

....wait I have no enthusiasm or determination to earn money....like at all........

chess_can_be_fun
chess_can_be_fun
Dec 29, 2013
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#313
janniktr wrote:

Chess talent, partially correlating with the IQ, also has influence on your speed of improvement when studying the same stuff with the same intensity etc. It is almost at every rating level good to have a higher IQ, due to the fact that you can calculate faster, and memorize your calculated lines.

Furthermore you are just putting up this thesis that nobody with average IQ can be FM or IM. It would now be interesting to do a research on the average IQ of the titled players (Expert, CM, FM, IM, GM, 2700+).

I do think that if the circumstances are not ideal for chess development, like in the extreme case you don't have a chess board, a high IQ doesn't help, but someone highly motivated with average IQ and better circumstances will do better. 

almost at every rating level you have to have a higher IQ?  Good job making stuff up.  Show me a scientific study about this... oh yeah u just made it up

brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#314
chess_can_be_fun wrote:

chess isn't a measure of intelligence so who cares

no it is a measure of intelligence. but it's a very rough one and it would take a long time if you were to try to use it alone to determine someone's iq. there are far more accurate and quicker ways to measure someone's iq. the sat for example provides an accurate estimate of a person's iq within a few points. of course something like the stanford binet would be even more precise.

Aelise12108
Aelise12108
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Dec 29, 2013
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#315

Nice SAT score however is you want to find your true IQ you must be tested this involves a long lengthy process and cant be based just on your SAT score. I personally believe though that chess is more a game of experiance and learning if you practice and apply yourself anything is possible, keep your head up and good luck.

waffllemaster
waffllemaster
Dec 29, 2013
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#316
brankz wrote:
chess_gg wrote:
brankz wrote:

also since I know my iq is ~137 because I scored a 1400 on the sat http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx I know I would be able to become an IM (possibly a very low rated GM) with a peak rating around ~2450-2500 given ideal circumstances and conditions.  but I likely wouldn't get anywhere near 2600 and above no matter how hard I worked.

This is all nothing but hot air and W.A.S. (wild-assed speculation).

ummm no it's not I scored a 1400 on the sat thus my iq is 137 http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx.

and iq doesn't significantly change through the course of someone's life. it's like height, not weight. 

That works by comparing percentile...

waffllemaster
waffllemaster
Dec 29, 2013
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#317
brankz wrote:
chess_can_be_fun wrote:

chess isn't a measure of intelligence so who cares

no it is a measure of intelligence. but it's a very rough one and there are far more accurate ways to measure someone's iq.

Chess is seen as a measure of intelligence by those who don't know how to play chess Laughing

brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#318
waffllemaster wrote:
brankz wrote:
chess_can_be_fun wrote:

chess isn't a measure of intelligence so who cares

no it is a measure of intelligence. but it's a very rough one and there are far more accurate ways to measure someone's iq.

Chess is seen as a measure of intelligence by those who don't know how to play chess

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brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#319
Don_Lockhart wrote:

Nice SAT score however is you want to find your true IQ you must be tested this involves a long lengthy process and cant be based just on your SAT score.

the sat can be used to generate an accurate estimate of someone's iq within a few points. of course something like the stanford binet would be even more precise. this is not controversial. it's the consensus.

brankz
brankz
Dec 29, 2013
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#320
waffllemaster wrote:
brankz wrote:
chess_gg wrote:
brankz wrote:

also since I know my iq is ~137 because I scored a 1400 on the sat http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx I know I would be able to become an IM (possibly a very low rated GM) with a peak rating around ~2450-2500 given ideal circumstances and conditions.  but I likely wouldn't get anywhere near 2600 and above no matter how hard I worked.

This is all nothing but hot air and W.A.S. (wild-assed speculation).

ummm no it's not I scored a 1400 on the sat thus my iq is 137 http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx.

and iq doesn't significantly change through the course of someone's life. it's like height, not weight. 

That works by comparing percentile...

so it does...

the sat can be used to generate an accurate estimate of someone's iq within a few points. which is why high iq societies use it for admissions purposes. something like the stanford binet would of course be even more precise.

this is not controversial. it's the consensus.