Why Do Most People Don't Want to Have Post-game Discuss

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Avatar of eulers_knot

I do see your point regarding thematic tournaments, in the opening only. But I'm not convinced of a need for a rule.  I suppose in a small tournament with a single group one could stack the field with collaborators.  But that would be difficult in larger tournaments.

Avatar of knighttour2

Some thematic tournaments are endgame tourneys (I'm actually playing in several now, although they are unrated) and I think it's even more critical there.  Some positions basically require the players to know a certain drawing motif, like the Philidor position or the rule about R pawn + bishop of the wrong color.  Telling your opponent the ideas (if you know them and he doesn't) would definitely impact other games.

Avatar of eulers_knot

I was unaware of such tournaments but of course it makes sense they exist.

 

All of this makes me wonder why thematic tournaments/games impact one's rating at all.

Avatar of knighttour2

I think anything can be rated, although I think most TDs that regularly create endgame tourneys make them unrated.  Most opening based thematic tourneys are rated.

Avatar of eulers_knot

Right, I have created several rated thematic tournaments. 

 

But the idea that an endgame tournament could impact one's rating seems problematic for the validity of the rating system, and I kind of wonder if that's true for a thematic opening tournament.  It's a synthesized game condition that may not have significant bearing on one's 'true' rating.

Avatar of knighttour2

Certainly true, although there are other ways this could happen, like the playing friends regularly instead of random people.  If people play enough games rating should balance out even if there are some bumps in the road due to thematic tournaments and opponent selection. 

Avatar of eulers_knot

In terms of the ratings balancing out, couldn't the same be said for the collusion you suggest happens during thematic tournaments?  I would think this would be an even smaller bump in the road than someone who plays the same thematic opening over and over...   

Avatar of knighttour2

Sure it could, but then again the same could be said for occasional computer use or occasional sandbagging.  I think the site uses common sense to determine what to allow and what not to allow.

Despite the large amount of talking we've done on this issue, if two people playing a normal chess game want to discuss the game mid-game between themselves and no one else I seriously doubt anyone, even chess.com, really cares, although I still think it's technically against the rules.  My answer to OP was that maybe the person you are initiating chat with doesn't respond because he believes it's against the rules or the spirit of the rules and wants a more competitive game.

Avatar of eulers_knot

^^^Now which rule was that again?  I'd like to read it myself.  wink.png

Avatar of EndgameEnthusiast2357
knighttour2 wrote:

Minimum commentary like "good move" or "mouseslip" is fine.  General discussions that don't focus on the game itself is fine.  Anything you want after the game is fine.  Discussing game specifics in-game is against the rules, although if both players do it and neither cares and it's not a thematic tournament you'll probably never get caught.

I agree that it would be helpful if a mod chimed in.  Chess.com's policies say that you cannot receive ANY assistance in Live Games, which could include your opponent aiding you.  I don't see anything for daily, but I've seen threads get closed for people posting and discussing an ongoing game in the forums and I believe that getting outside help from another person is against the rules in daily.

As to some of the above comments, I seriously doubt the site intentionally disconnects anyone.  I was a free member for a long time and I never experienced this, although ads could slow down your connection, but that's their business model.  If you want a site where everyone pays they are out there.

I have read all of TOS and fair play rules and this rule is non-existent, and why would an opponent report me for letting me help him or vice versa?? No one is that stupid.

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Avatar of rmanthony

knighttour2 wrote:

Discussing a game with the opponent during the game is a violation of site rules, unless the game is unrated.  Discussion of possible engine use in the main forums is also against site rules

Why is discussing the game with your opponent during the game a violation of site rules? You can only do it if your opponent wants to and your opponent isn't going to tell you continuations that you are missing. I'm sure that there is a reason but it isn't obvious to me.

Avatar of EndgameEnthusiast2357

It's just another OCD rule that they can't even enforce without a chat filtering AI master program that tracks the 50,000 games that occur every day and the 1000 chats at any given time.

Avatar of Yenny-Leon

Why even bother trying to enforce such a rule?  C.c will always have enough members to satisfy the advertisers, even if many of those "members" are closed accounts.

Avatar of EndgameEnthusiast2357

True.and their reasoning for how it is cheating, you need like an IQ of 160 to understand.

Avatar of mini_VAN

I agree we are not allowed to talk during a serious game (both players make an agreement before the game) or during tournament (of course). But, to be not allowed to talk during a casual game is nonsense because block chat button is there for this purpose. 

Avatar of zborg
HessianWarrior wrote:

Why Do Most People Don't Want to Have a Post-game Discuss?

Because for me after playing almost 4,500 games it be like talking about what I had for breakfast for the last month.

 

+1, Very well stated.  grin.png

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Avatar of EndgameEnthusiast2357

Are their computer tournaments on this site?