WHY is Bobby Fischer still respected in the chess community???

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TheAuthority

Drawgood wrote: "History research and writing aren't a vague subject that allows anyone to write anything"

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Nonsense....history is notoriously inaccurate and yes, vague. Have fun living in your dream world. Dragwood is the nazi.

TheAuthority

Elubas wrote:

Strangely enough I've heard that Native Americans themselves prefer the term "Indians."

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Lmao. Sources?

TheAuthority

I heard that when Europeans brought horses to this continent, it took the natives, ok we'll call 'me Injuns, 10 years to become master equestrians. That is impressive.

Elubas
chessking1976 wrote:

Elubas wrote:

Strangely enough I've heard that Native Americans themselves prefer the term "Indians."

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Lmao. Sources?

Well, my college textbook, extremely pro Native American, used primarily "Indian." The book was clearly telling the other side of the story that isn't generally told.

TheAuthority

Dragwood...in case you are unaware, the Europeans called the natives Indians because they believed they had sailed clear around the world and landed in India. History.

TheAuthority

Elubas wrote:

chessking1976 wrote:

Elubas wrote:

Strangely enough I've heard that Native Americans themselves prefer the term "Indians."

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Lmao. Sources?

Well, my college textbook, extremely pro Native American, used primarily "Indian." The book was clearly telling the other side of the story that isn't generally told.

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Ok, sounds good to me 😀

Elubas

I don't know why, since it just mischaracterizes them, so yeah that was a surprise.

TheAuthority

stuzzicadenti wrote:

Despite genetic evidence by DNA that Native Americans early in their history migrated from ancient Siberia across the Bering Strait into present-day Alaska, Canada, and eventually dispersed across the rest of North and South America, the Native traditions and mythologies say that they had always existed on this continent and it was their ancestral home. Of course they were the first people to settle there but even the Native Americans did come from somewhere else.

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Interesting. Yes, humans have been on this planet more than 140,000 years (says the latest scientific evidence I've heard), so it stands to reason that these people just happened to be here when the Euros showed up. And their bloodlines did not start here.

najdorf96

Indeed. Having read more here than I should have, I will say there are many many takes on just why Bobby Fischer is the most renowned, scrutinized World Chess Champion ever.

najdorf96

The most common being his "madness".

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Elubas wrote:
chessking1976 wrote:

Elubas wrote:

Strangely enough I've heard that Native Americans themselves prefer the term "Indians."

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Lmao. Sources?

Well, my college textbook, extremely pro Native American, used primarily "Indian." The book was clearly telling the other side of the story that isn't generally told.

What story is that?

najdorf96

I will not comment nor validate the various offhand comments regarding Lady. It is simply preposterous. Fischer is an Icon. The very first to encompass the practices of the Soviet Machine. To embrace it, though covertly. Adding to his own talent, relentless drive to surpass any and all.

najdorf96

His games, are a troth. To be gleaned from. Many games being the epitome of clarity. He played quick games as well as Kasparov. Could go tactical blow for blow with Tal. In depth positional.understanding on par or surpassing Karpov. Idyllic memory as good or better than Kasparov.

hampshirehog
Bobby Fischer is the Stephen Hawking of chess. Basically over rated. Ask the world of theoretical physicists to list the most influential and relevant among them and Hawking wouldn't even make the top 20. But because he's famous the world at large considers him to be the most brilliant man alive. He's not! The same with Fischer. He's a famous American so to Americans he's still brilliant and relevant. The truth is if he'd been a Latvian say would he'd be so discussed still? Of course not, and would any American ever even mention him? Again no. Fischer was a decent player but does not deserve the over the top plaudits he gets from those who would struggle to name 5 other chess players.
ponz111
hampshirehog wrote:
Bobby Fischer is the Stephen Hawking of chess. Basically over rated. Ask the world of theoretical physicists to list the most influential and relevant among them and Hawking wouldn't even make the top 20. But because he's famous the world at large considers him to be the most brilliant man alive. He's not! The same with Fischer. He's a famous American so to Americans he's still brilliant and relevant. The truth is if he'd been a Latvian say would he'd be so discussed still? Of course not, and would any American ever even mention him? Again no. Fischer was a decent player but does not deserve the over the top plaudits he gets from those who would struggle to name 5 other chess players.

Fischer has amazing records despite what you say... 

najdorf96

It's weird that one would compare a theoretical physicist to a chess player. Namely because a Chess player would be in the category of an Applied Theory Physicist.

najdorf96

But then, Stephen.Hawking is also a living Icon in his own right. Having gone through tremendous adversity in his life. His illness. The very triumph is hardly what one would nonchalantly describe as "overrated"

hampshirehog
Not sure what Hawkings illness has to do with his ideas? The point is both men are notables in their fields but are they really so much head and shoulders above the rest? No. But they are both household names which kind of blurs their real standings.
LaConseillante
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ModestAndPolite

To answer the original question straightforwardly:

  • He played wonderful chess
  • He made the game fully professional at top-level
  • He made chess more popular and respectable than it had ever been before
  • He broke the Soviet stranglehold on the World championship
  • He brought a lot of sponsorship into the game at lower levels