Covid-19 Discussion (moderated) - Chess Forums - Page 127

StumpyBlitzer

Jul 29, 2021

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#2521

btickler wrote:

Blocking the UnclePeet sockpuppet (Funklesweet)...

Hi probably worth not making posts like this when blocking people. 👍

DiogenesDue

Jul 29, 2021

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#2522

StumpyBlitzer wrote:

btickler wrote:

Blocking the UnclePeet sockpuppet (Funklesweet)...

Hi probably worth not making posts like this when blocking people. 👍

There's a maintained list of everybody blocked on this thread and the reason(s) why on the first page. This dates back to a timeframe when this thread was being protected by moderators due to the amount of Covid-19 misinformation and partisan political posting that was going on, before your time.

If I were on somebody else's thread and blocked someone, I would not post "blocked" or give any reason.

wsswan

Jul 29, 2021

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#2523

I was blocked early on because I was new to C.Com and misunderstood the rules. But I would still follow the club even though I couldn't post anything. Somehow I got unblocked and have posted a few things since. Now I understand more about the rules and I still follow this club for information it gives out. I think btickler is doing a good job.

DiogenesDue

Jul 29, 2021

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#2524

wsswan wrote:

I was blocked early on because I was new to C.Com and misunderstood the rules. But I would still follow the club even though I couldn't post anything. Somehow I got unblocked and have posted a few things since. Now I understand more about the rules and I still follow this club for information it gives out. I think btickler is doing a good job.

When the mods were closing all other Covid threads and telling people to post in this one, I un-blocked everyone. Being blocked from my Covid thread was one thing, but I didn't think it was fair that people would be entirely blocked from posting on Covid at all, so I gave everyone a second chance.

Some, like you, have been fine (kudos)...a handful went right back to being blocked. A couple the same day I unblocked everyone .

DiogenesDue

Jul 29, 2021

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#2525

HistoryTeacher2 wrote:

Seems like this thread has become more about blocking than about covid. Considering the average mentality in the forums here a topic such as this will only bring trouble. I'll decline to post my opinion beyond that.

You are not completely wrong, but that's the point. It's more wrong to banish all Covid threads simply because people cannot be civil and cannot post reasonable arguments with real sources. People deserve to discuss this someplace on the site, and it should be kept clean and relatively informative.

wsswan

Jul 29, 2021

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#2526

Agreed!!!

RonaldJosephCote

Jul 30, 2021

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#2527

Tickler didn't do anything wrong. If we allow any troll to post anything without citing legitimate sources, Chess.com becomes nothing more than Facebook and we have enough idiots getting their news from Facebook. And to Mr Funklesweet who's trying to make a Federal case out of being blocked, I only have 1 thing to say.....

power_9_the_people

Jul 30, 2021

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#2528

IcyAvaleigh wrote:

#2549, is this 99,5% number based on all time data or just after they started to give people vaccines in the usa?

if it's all time data, I think the number says nothing. if it's recent data only, I think we can say the vaccines are effective. (what % of the people in the usa are fully protected by vaccine nowadays?)

The numbers are updated daily

At New Scientist, a good place for informations

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-daily-new-cases-in-the-uk-rise-to-31117/

Although I was just reading some news in French from France 🇫🇷 for a change and it's " good news " too. But nothing like good news though 😕 If I have real good news, someday, I'll post that too. But at the moment for example 2 uncertainties remain we d like better it wouldn't: like 1) the duration of vaccine efficacy, for people having been fully vaccinated and 2) if when vaccinated someone can still transmit the virus.

Marie-AnneLiz

Jul 30, 2021

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#2529

BlindThief a écrit :

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

IcyAvaleigh a écrit :

#2549, is this 99,5% number based on all time data or just after they started to give people vaccines in the usa?

if it's all time data, I think the number says nothing. if it's recent data only, I think we can say the vaccines are effective. (what % of the people in the usa are fully protected by vaccine nowadays?)

Almost 50% are vaccinated two times and 1 in 4 got the covid 19 already so they are protected in part so 25% are at high risk for the Delta and that is a lot of peoples....a bit less then 100 millions.

I think a crucial assumption that weakens this argument is that we still do not know the body’s ability to sustain Covid-antibodies long term or whether catching Covid-alpha gives any protections against, say, Covid-lambda (to date, the vaccine, and by proxy the antibodies it produces, is showing efficacy against all variants). But, if certain variants can reinfect previously infected people and if the vaccine’s antibodies only last 6-12 months (without boosters), then 25% of the population being vulnerable is wishful thinking.

25% are VERY vulnerable for NOW! and the 50% with two vaccine are a LOT LESS vulnerable to be hospitalized or to die for NOW and the 25% who got the virus already are a LOT more protected for NOW then the other 25%, NOW not in 6 months + ;no vaccine last for ever and many more deadly variants may come or are already here....

Marie-AnneLiz

Jul 30, 2021

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#2530

FunkleSweet a écrit :

https://thewatchtowers.org/nobel-prize-winner-french-virologist-luc-montagnier-explains-how-covid-19-vaccines-are-creating-variants/?amp=1

Nobel Prize winning virologist Luc Montagnier asserts that: “it is the vaccination that is creating the variants.”.

Is there anyone in here who has more knowledge and/or credentials than a Nobel Prize winning virologist?

Show me the video where he said that and i will believe you;if not it's fake!

DiogenesDue

Jul 30, 2021

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#2531

HistoryTeacher2 wrote:

What could possibly be said here that hasn't been said ad infinitum everywhere for the past 18 months? There have always been two camps: 1. I will do whatever it takes to keep myself and my family safe from this disease as well as people I come in contact with 2. It's a hoax and you can't make me do anything I don't want to do.

There are still new developments every day.

DiogenesDue

Jul 30, 2021

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#2532

HistoryTeacher2 wrote:

Funklesweet has been blocked. The source of his link is an antivac site in India blocked by Facebook for false information

Not only that, but Luc Montagnier is on the "Covid misinformation most wanted list" . We debunked his stuff way back in this thread...he's 88 years old now, and his Nobel Prize is long behind him. Think Fischer in '72 vs. Fischer when he died...

DiogenesDue

Jul 30, 2021

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#2533

HistoryTeacher2 wrote:

None of which will change the minds of the large part of the folks on both sides. Even the increasing number of deaths of the unvaccinated has not made an appreciable dent in the antivac crowd. Although it is interesting to read of the antivaccers secretly getting the shots.

Somebody needs to start a conspiracy theory that Covid-19 is engineered to tweak DNA and increase empathy and desire to help others, potentially leading to a change in political party...then watch the vaccines fly off the shelves .

BlindThief

Jul 30, 2021

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#2534

Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

BlindThief a écrit :

I think a crucial assumption that weakens this argument is that we still do not know the body’s ability to sustain Covid-antibodies long term or whether catching Covid-alpha gives any protections against, say, Covid-lambda (to date, the vaccine, and by proxy the antibodies it produces, is showing efficacy against all variants). But, if certain variants can reinfect previously infected people and if the vaccine’s antibodies only last 6-12 months (without boosters), then 25% of the population being vulnerable is wishful thinking.

25% are VERY vulnerable for NOW! and the 50% with two vaccine are a LOT LESS vulnerable to be hospitalized or to die for NOW and the 25% who got the virus already are a LOT more protected for NOW then the other 25%, NOW not in 6 months + ;no vaccine last for ever and many more deadly variants may come or are already here....

That is right. And none of what I said was intended as argument. Rather, about 40 minutes before I read this, an antivaxxer made a similar observation as to why it’s okay to go to a packed ballgame. He noted “well, 50% are vaccinated and 25% of people had it* and it’s only about 1/5 as bad as it was in January, so my odds of catching have to be small.”

Meanwhile, I’m liking at this guy like “playa, I counted like 8 flawed assumptions there, but YOLO.”

* the number is actually closed to 12%

HistoryTeacher2 wrote:

Or that vaccines increase testosterone

It’ll make you a better chess player

DiogenesDue

Jul 30, 2021

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#2535

And now we have come to this...

https://news.yahoo.com/missouri-doctor-says-people-her-101257284.html

Anti-vaxxers getting vaccinated in secret because they can't reconcile their fear of Covid with their fear of being seen as "woke" or something . Just grow some cohones, get the vaccine openly, and break ranks with the uneducated.

RonaldJosephCote

Jul 31, 2021

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#2536

Here's some science that should keep you busy for a few pages...https://www.yahoo.com/news/those-virus-sequences-were-suddenly-141554859.html

SummerSaint

Jul 31, 2021

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#2537

Why are those government figures secretly getting vaccinated- cowards???

SummerSaint

Jul 31, 2021

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#2538

Coming from across the pond, I would call that hypocrisy. But in this country, our scientists seem very clear about the evidence, it is the politicians having to make decisions about the economy on the one hand & the clinically vulnerable on the other

power_9_the_people

Jul 31, 2021

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#2539

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/vaccinated-people-spreading-delta-variant-just-as-quickly-as-the-unvaccinated-leaked-cdc-document/wcm/44cb4c25-91f6-4af1-86a2-533d0ef2d326/amp/?

There are " communications challenges "

I would never have thought

power_9_the_people

Jul 31, 2021

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#2540

Same story in the other newspaper

CDC study shows three-fourths of people infected in Massachusetts coronavirus outbreak were vaccinated but few required hospitalization
By Carolyn Y. Johnson, Yasmeen Abutaleb and Joel Achenbach

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/provincetown-covid-outbreak-vaccinated/