Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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DiogenesDue
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

Yes it's really interesting!Thanks!

Yeah, it's good to know that technology tracking us is actually good for something positive once in a while wink.png...

Marie-AnneLiz
Haverumwilltravel a écrit :

Nothing coming out of China can be believed. China is ran by a savage regime. Any body with any logic would deduct that the cases and death toll is much higher since it originated from there.

You got that right! 

the_chess_zebra

CNN featured a video, which was audio closed captions, claiming that the source was verified.  I don't recall if the initial report came from the Washington Post. 

It was a conversation between the worker at a morgue in Wuhan and a higher up CCP investigator.  The worker said that bodies keep coming in every day and they are having a really hard time getting them all creamated in a timely manner.  The worker said they have 110 people working around the clock, but they really need 50 more workers because everyone is very tired.  They also need more cars because it takes more than 45 minutes to go to the hospital, pick up a deceased person, and drive back to the morgue.

The investigator said he would get more workers and cars.  The morgue worker was really upset, screaming about her the "boss", which I presume is a local CCP manager, wasn't helping, but just making more demands.  The investigator said that it's common for the local managers to want to make a good impression. 

It sounded like the investigator may have been a man with the voice diguised.  At any rate, it was a really scarey thing to listen to because it sounds like the death rate in Wuhan is not zero. 

I hope that the pandemic runs its course with as little damage as possible.  We can all stay home and play chess, and participate in the forum discussions.  Imagine how awful it must have been in 1917-1918 with nothing to do at home except play board games, cards, and listen to the radio.

Thanks for reading my post.

 

SoupTime4

"Sound bites" are exactly that.  You have no idea what the context was, or what was omitted. 

DiogenesDue
Haverumwilltravel wrote:

Yeah. Sound bytes. Instead of any positive news you like to gravatate to the negative. Pretty sad on your part. You will never understand why he is so popular even with all of the slings and arrows thrown at him. When I see our press spew the same garbage that our enemies spews I know what information to disguard.  By the way you should mind your own countries leaders in this . 

I didn't gravitate anywhere.  You said you did not recall Trump downplaying the threat, and I provided quotes.  Many are tweets and are entirely self-contained, and so it's not really possible for me to take those out of context or to twist them to make Trump "look bad".  The words are what they are...and since I was refreshing your recollections about downplaying the threat, it was hardly possible for me to present positive vs. negative.  Downplaying the threat was all negative.  You can certainly post some of his more serious/responsible stuff from recent days if you want to talk about Trump's response today.  It doesn't change the fact that he downplayed the threat in the past.  

We're not arguing about Trump vs. "the left" here.  This about the outbreak, and anything we're talking about in this thread is tied to his response to it.

Lastly, I am wholly unaware of any Trump directives I am not "minding".  If you have me under surveillance or something, though, perhaps you could tell me what I am doing/not doing.

DiogenesDue
the_chess_zebra wrote:

CNN featured a video, which was audio closed captions, claiming that the source was verified.  I don't recall if the initial report came from the Washington Post. 

It was a conversation between the worker at a morgue in Wuhan and a higher up CCP investigator.  The worker said that bodies keep coming in every day and they are having a really hard time getting them all creamated in a timely manner.  The worker said they have 110 people working around the clock, but they really need 50 more workers because everyone is very tired.  They also need more cars because it takes more than 45 minutes to go to the hospital, pick up a deceased person, and drive back to the morgue.

The investigator said he would get more workers and cars.  The morgue worker was really upset, screaming about her the "boss", which I presume is a local CCP manager, wasn't helping, but just making more demands.  The investigator said that it's common for the local managers to want to make a good impression. 

It sounded like the investigator may have been a man with the voice diguised.  At any rate, it was a really scarey thing to listen to because it sounds like the death rate in Wuhan is not zero. 

I hope that the pandemic runs its course with as little damage as possible.  We can all stay home and play chess, and participate in the forum discussions.  Imagine how awful it must have been in 1917-1918 with nothing to do at home except play board games, cards, and listen to the radio.

Thanks for reading my post.

There's a lot of videos from CNN even when you filter by "CNN, video, Wuhan, investigation"...if you or someone else knows which video you saw, we can link it.  The exact timing of the video would also be important, obviously happy.png.

It is much better to shelter in place when you are getting instant updates from around the world, I can imagine how it was in the early 1900s not knowing anything but what came from local radio...ugh.

llama44
btickler wrote:

Starting a new thread since people could not keep from talking about politics unrelated to the outbreak and got the "How safe is it to go to tournaments right now?" thread locked.

Be forewarned.  The follow kinds of posts will result in a block:

- Political posts that are not related to the outbreak, or any post that is primarily politics over anything else.

- Rumors, conspiracy theories, unverified anecdotal information disguised as "facts"about the outbreak, etc.

- Advice and suggestions about how people should handle Covid-19 that are the poster's personal opinions and are not backed up any research.

- Nonsense posts.  One and done if you are being immature.

- One on one arguments.  This thread is not a chat room.  Take it to PMs.

Nice set of rules, thanks for giving me a chance by not blocking me unlike the other topic that started up.

KingAxelson

These statements are considered inaccurate by mainstream science and major accredited healthcare associations. Link deleted. UpbeatAngle-Mod

SoupTime4

Sometimes, people greed knows no boundaries.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-officials-redistribute-protective-gear-185501065.html

According to court documents, Feldheim offered to sell around 1,000 N95 masks and other materials to a New Jersey doctor for $12,000, which federal authorities said was approximately a 700 percent markup over the normal prices.

DiogenesDue
SoupTime4 wrote:

Sometimes, people greed knows no boundaries.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-officials-redistribute-protective-gear-185501065.html

According to court documents, Feldheim offered to sell around 1,000 N95 masks and other materials to a New Jersey doctor for $12,000, which federal authorities said was approximately a 700 percent markup over the normal prices.

Much like bankers in financial scandals, I feel like crimes of this nature should come with significant jail time.

SoupTime4
btickler wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

Sometimes, people greed knows no boundaries.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-officials-redistribute-protective-gear-185501065.html

According to court documents, Feldheim offered to sell around 1,000 N95 masks and other materials to a New Jersey doctor for $12,000, which federal authorities said was approximately a 700 percent markup over the normal prices.

Much like bankers in financial scandals, I feel like crimes of this nature should come with significant jail time.

"Significant" is putting it mildly.

llama44
btickler wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

Sometimes, people greed knows no boundaries.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-officials-redistribute-protective-gear-185501065.html

According to court documents, Feldheim offered to sell around 1,000 N95 masks and other materials to a New Jersey doctor for $12,000, which federal authorities said was approximately a 700 percent markup over the normal prices.

Much like bankers in financial scandals, I feel like crimes of this nature should come with significant jail time.

It's interesting to think about why they don't though.

There's sufficient societal pressure to, for example, jail common criminals, but when rich or powerful people do bad things I think somehow a part of us is ok with that.

Obviously most people would strongly agree with you, and I might be one of them, but when you think about what happens in reality it's interesting trying to understand why.

DiogenesDue
llama44 wrote:

Nice set of rules, thanks for giving me a chance by not blocking me unlike the other topic that started up.

I did not block anyone to start.  It's a fresh slate.

That being said, I only have one block list, so people that got themselves blocked by me long before this thread will not be able to post here.  I considered unblocking everyone, but then I'd have to deal with the likes of Colby/Kibi and other complete nonsense.

DiogenesDue
SoupTime4 wrote:

"Significant" is putting it mildly.

I'm still waiting to find out of charges will be brought against the Kentucky/Tennessee hand sanitizer guy.  I know Amazon shut down his account, and that his 17,000 bottles of sanitizer were mostly seized and given away, but I don't know if he got jail time.

SoupTime4
btickler wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

"Significant" is putting it mildly.

I'm still waiting to find out of charges will be brought against the Kentucky/Tennessee hand sanitizer guy.  I know Amazon shut down his account, and that his 17,000 bottles of sanitizer were mostly seized and given away, but I don't know if he got jail time.

The only reason he decided to give the things away was because he was receiving death threats, and was going to be investigated.

llama44
SoupTime4 wrote:
btickler wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

"Significant" is putting it mildly.

I'm still waiting to find out of charges will be brought against the Kentucky/Tennessee hand sanitizer guy.  I know Amazon shut down his account, and that his 17,000 bottles of sanitizer were mostly seized and given away, but I don't know if he got jail time.

The only reason he decided to give the things away was because he was receiving death threats, and was going to be investigated.

"You should never turn a man's generosity as a sword against him. Any virtue that a man has, even if he has many vices, should not be used as a tool against him." -- Isidor Isaac Rabi

SoupTime4
llama44 wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
btickler wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

"Significant" is putting it mildly.

I'm still waiting to find out of charges will be brought against the Kentucky/Tennessee hand sanitizer guy.  I know Amazon shut down his account, and that his 17,000 bottles of sanitizer were mostly seized and given away, but I don't know if he got jail time.

The only reason he decided to give the things away was because he was receiving death threats, and was going to be investigated.

"You should never turn a man's generosity as a sword against him. Any virtue that a man has, even if he has many vices, should not be used as a tool against him." -- Isidor Isaac Rabi

Im not saying he is, or was a bad person.  He is a flawed human being like the rest of us.

llama44

Maybe the quote didn't apply perfectly to that situation, but it came to mind and I thought it'd be worth posting it.

DiogenesDue
Haverumwilltravel wrote:

It does bot surprise me that you have no other news source in your "international" country. You better hope the US comes out of this with little impact because no matter where you live if the US falls the virus will be the least enemy you have to worry about.

If you are referring to Yahoo News again, I will repeat that Yahoo is a news aggregator.  Kayak.com does not have any planes, but they sell airline tickets from every carrier that is willing to be on their platform.  Same concept.  Stories of every kind from hundreds of sources all flow into Yahoo, and Yahoo shares ad revenue and click revenue.  The stories that make it to the front page do so through survival of the fittest.

I do check the underlying source of Yahoo News stories and give them credence as appropriate (and you can, too).  Associated Press and Reuters are worldwide news organizations, top billing.  Business Insider?  Okay, but not as much.  Popsugar?  In the trash.

Quasimorphy

Early in the outbreak, Trump was being told by medical experts, such as Dr. Fauci, that it was really nothing to worry about.  If Senator Cotton hadn't scared Trump into restricting travel from China we would be in deeper excrement than we are even now.

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