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varelse1 wrote:
Caedrel wrote:
That there is a significant problem - are you meant to self isolate until your test result comes back? That's like half the time to self isolate when you do have it.
I am expected to yes. And I am.
But so many will not, of course. It is human nature to assume you do not have the Covid, until you know for sure you do. That something happens to other people. Never yourself.
Plus, I am not allowed to return to work, until that test comes back. My boss was shocked, when I told him takes that long.
That's crazy. When I went for a free test locally it came back in 3 days and that was for tests considered "lower risk" that were not expedited.
The Cepheid test machine can do up to 80 tests at a time without human intervention and it loads the next 80 itself, every 45 minutes...that's 2400 tests a day for a cost in the 4 digit range. The government is paying out $4 trillion in shutdown relief, when they first should have been paying in the hundreds of billions for a crapload of test machines and a ton of low paid data entry clearks...heck, the data entry could be done from home by the people that got tested 
. The whole fricking country could have and should have been tested by now. There's just no excuse for backlog or any of the other BS that goes on. But government officials like Abbott Labs, because they can pronounce the name. Trump called Cepheid (pronounced "seff-eee-id", just as you would expect) "seff-a-hide".
The CDC set testing back by weeks when they messed up their initial release, etc. They really only exist to handle outbreaks just like this and they failed right out of the gate at doing the only thing they are designed to do .
Nero is fiddling...
Varelse......I hope your not experiencing any symtoms.....
hdbb8 wrote:
Regarding democratic states: the stats really are completely abysmal, and it comes across as more than a bit rich. If you disagree with that, then we will agree to disagree.
I guess this disparity would not have anything to do with most low population flyover states being the red states? It's not a form of social superiority/better common sense if you are avoiding infection merely by living out in the boonies ...
People in such areas will make the exact same mistakes when the virus finally reaches them.
Jul 16, 2020
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#1326
btickler wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
Caedrel wrote:
That there is a significant problem - are you meant to self isolate until your test result comes back? That's like half the time to self isolate when you do have it.
I am expected to yes. And I am.
But so many will not, of course. It is human nature to assume you do not have the Covid, until you know for sure you do. That something happens to other people. Never yourself.
Plus, I am not allowed to return to work, until that test comes back. My boss was shocked, when I told him takes that long.
That's crazy. When I went for a free test locally it came back in 3 days and that was for tests considered "lower risk" that were not expedited.
The Cepheid test machine can do up to 80 tests at a time without human intervention and it loads the next 80 itself, every 45 minutes...that's 2400 tests a day for a cost in the 4 digit range. The government is paying out $4 trillion in shutdown relief, when they first should have been paying in the hundreds of billions for a crapload of test machines and a ton of low paid data entry clearks...heck, the data entry could be done from home by the people that got tested . The whole fricking country could have and should have been tested by now. There's just no excuse for backlog or any of the other BS that goes on. But government officials like Abbott Labs, because they can pronounce the name. Trump called Cepheid (pronounced "seff-eee-id", just as you would expect) "seff-a-hide".
The CDC set testing back by weeks when they messed up their initial release, etc. They really only exist to handle outbreaks just like this and they failed right out of the gate at doing the only thing they are designed to do .
Nero is fiddling...
Yes Nero is.
But from what i am told, it is not that it takes that long to run the tests. But to enter the data into the computer.
I am told they are very backlogged right now, on completed tests which need to be processed.
Jul 16, 2020
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Interesting Q&A from the Oregon Health Authority: I think IPG might have asked her questions about people dying "with" COVID-19 instead of "of" COVID-19, but I don't think that's how the OHA understood her question, because they answered how they determine if someone who has died has CVOID-19 and didn't go into the causes of death at all.
https://twitter.com/OHAOregon/status/1283538392534470658
Jul 16, 2020
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hdbb8 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
Mate, you keep posting CNN and nobody takes that serious. This isn't 2005.
"These protests are peaceful".
***CNN headquarters getting smashed in by peaceful hippy protest***
You are right go back to Fox and pretend you know what is going on out side your little fantasy propaganda bubble!
Jul 16, 2020
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#1329
hdbb8 a écrit :
btickler wrote:
hdbb8 wrote:
Regarding democratic states: the stats really are completely abysmal, and it comes across as more than a bit rich. If you disagree with that, then we will agree to disagree.
I guess this disparity would not have anything to do with most low population flyover states being the red states? It's not a form of social superiority/better common sense if you are avoiding infection merely by living out in the boonies ...
People in such areas will make the exact same mistakes when the virus finally reaches them.
The only European country that is as bad as New York alone is Russia. Top of the worst 5 states by population, 4 of which being democrat.
Although I do find it funny that you consider absolutely everything, especially outside of America, as ""rural boonies"".
And yes, I find it a bit rich.
NY has a lot less problem right now;Florida and Texas and Georgia and Arizona and Alabama and Louisiana and Tennessee,Idaho are in trouble..
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/16/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s
Jul 16, 2020
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#1330
hdbb8 a écrit :
btickler wrote:
hdbb8 wrote:
Regarding democratic states: the stats really are completely abysmal, and it comes across as more than a bit rich. If you disagree with that, then we will agree to disagree.
I guess this disparity would not have anything to do with most low population flyover states being the red states? It's not a form of social superiority/better common sense if you are avoiding infection merely by living out in the boonies ...
People in such areas will make the exact same mistakes when the virus finally reaches them.
The only European country that is as bad as New York alone is Russia. Top of the worst 5 states by population, 4 of which being democrat.
Although I do find it funny that you consider absolutely everything, especially outside of America, as ""rural boonies"".
And yes, I find it a bit rich.
Active Cases:
Florida: 277,000
California: 256,000
NY:185 000
Texas: 147 000
Arizona: 116 000
Georgia: 108 000
Caedrel wrote:
Interesting Q&A from the Oregon Health Authority: I think IPG might have asked her questions about people dying "with" COVID-19 instead of "of" COVID-19, but I don't think that's how the OHA understood her question, because they answered how they determine if someone who has died has CVOID-19 and didn't go into the causes of death at all.
There are news about people died in sudden when they are in their daily activity. It should be tested whether its cause is covid.
Other people mostly fear to give help because this present pandemic.
hdbb8 wrote:
btickler wrote:
hdbb8 wrote:
Regarding democratic states: the stats really are completely abysmal, and it comes across as more than a bit rich. If you disagree with that, then we will agree to disagree.
I guess this disparity would not have anything to do with most low population flyover states being the red states? It's not a form of social superiority/better common sense if you are avoiding infection merely by living out in the boonies ...
People in such areas will make the exact same mistakes when the virus finally reaches them.
The only European country that is as bad as New York alone is Russia. Top of the worst 5 states by population, 4 of which being democrat.
Although I do find it funny that you consider absolutely everything, especially outside of America, as ""rural boonies"".
And yes, I find it a bit rich.
Did you learn to do this in Straw Man 101? I didn't say anything about other countries. You did. So, why do *you* consider "absolutely everything, especially outside the US" as "rural boonies"? If you can't man up and argue the points themselves without resorting to logical fallacies, you won't be posting here.
The top 5 US states for total Covid infections by population are 3 blue, 2 red. The top 5 US states for currently active Covid cases by population are 3 red, 2 blue. Guess this makes your original point a bit sketchy/soft...sorry about that.
How would you care to explain why east coast blue states are performing so much more poorly than west coast blue states? Hint: once again, the answer is population density.
varelse1 wrote:
Yes Nero is.
But from what i am told, it is not that it takes that long to run the tests. But to enter the data into the computer.
I am told they are very backlogged right now, on completed tests which need to be processed.
That's what I am saying, they had to ID your swab/sample *before* they tested it. There's no excuse for some backwater system where the already IDed sample's test results should have to then be manually keyed into another system to send it back to you. It's BS. If it's actually *interpreting* the results that is the backlog, that is also BS, but a different kind.
Maybe Australia can help us.....https://www.yahoo.com/news/australian-researchers-invent-20-minute-064725254.html
Jul 17, 2020
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#1335
hdbb8 a écrit :
@Marie-anne New York isn't the worst, if you disregard absolutely everything over the last 6 months.
There's a saying in England: "if my aunt had....." nevermind.
@Btickler with regards to population density, we could discuss Mumbai which is called "the most densely populated urban area on earth" by USA Today. New York's deaths are as bad as the entirety of India. There goes the population density excuse.
And did you just get excited about a fact-check that was "mostly true"? I mean... it's lower than my usual standard, I admit
I'll say again, as you seem to want to go around in circles, that the stats are abysmal. If you do not think so, then we will have to agree to disagree.
Have a good weekend.
India data are not of the same quality has the NY data!
India healthcare system is not even 20% of the same quality has the NY system and the pandemie is far from over yet so common sense tell me that you are not in good faith here.
India added a record number of Covid-19 cases - nearly 35,000 - in the last 24 hours, breaching the one million mark.
India's number of cases has been on the rise - with nearly record daily surges - in recent weeks. It overtook Russia earlier this month to occupy the third spot for the highest number of coronavirus cases globally.
hdbb8 wrote:
@Marie-anne New York isn't the worst, if you disregard absolutely everything over the last 6 months.
There's a saying in England: "if my aunt had....." nevermind.
@Btickler with regards to population density, we could discuss Mumbai which is called "the most densely populated urban area on earth" by USA Today. New York's deaths are as bad as the entirety of India. There goes the population density excuse.
And did you just get excited about a fact-check that was "mostly true"? I mean... it's lower than my usual standard, I admit
I'll say again, as you seem to want to go around in circles, that the stats are abysmal. If you do not think so, then we will have to agree to disagree.
Have a good weekend.
We don't really know what cases are like in India. India and Russia claimed in the mere hundreds of cases for weeks on end at the beginning of the outbreak, and were clearly hiding their totals until it became impossible for them to pretend they were actually real anymore.
Population density is a criteria that comes into play in, say, creating a hotspot from what might otherwise be a normal rate of infection. Population density does not magically generate cases out of thin air merely by people existing in closer proximity. So, if Mumbai starts getting a lot of community spread, population density will fan the flames. But you already knew that before you made your argument. It just suited you to trot it out anyway.
There's another saying in England...you bodged your argument.
Jul 17, 2020
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btickler a écrit :
hdbb8 wrote:
@Marie-anne New York isn't the worst, if you disregard absolutely everything over the last 6 months.
There's a saying in England: "if my aunt had....." nevermind.
@Btickler with regards to population density, we could discuss Mumbai which is called "the most densely populated urban area on earth" by USA Today. New York's deaths are as bad as the entirety of India. There goes the population density excuse.
And did you just get excited about a fact-check that was "mostly true"? I mean... it's lower than my usual standard, I admit
I'll say again, as you seem to want to go around in circles, that the stats are abysmal. If you do not think so, then we will have to agree to disagree.
Have a good weekend.
We don't really know what cases are like in India. India and Russia claimed in the mere hundreds of cases for weeks on end at the beginning of the outbreak, and were clearly hiding their totals until it became impossible for them to pretend they were actually real anymore.
Population density is a criteria that comes into play in, say, creating a hotspot from what might otherwise be a normal rate of infection. Population density does not magically generate cases out of thin air merely by people existing in closer proximity. So, if Mumbai starts getting a lot of community spread, population density will fan the flames. But you already knew that before you made your argument. It just suited you to trot it out anyway.
There's another saying in England...you bodged your argument.
In my country we only had 2 hot spots! The two biggest city!
Every where else it was fine! mostly!
I've just read an article about «super spreaders». 80% of the infected don't spread the virus at all, while the rest can infect dozens of people. We don't know why yet.
So, currently having a recovery rate above 60% means that the healthcare system is good? And, there might not be a lot of cases currently in Mumbai, but I doubt Mumbai' healthcare system is different from that of the rest of India where there are at least 1M cases reported. Anyway, I am no India expert, but if I had to compare health services between countries, I doubt I'd put India on the same level as USA, only for the fact that one is a developed country and the other one - while making a lot of progress - is still far away from being one.
Wazir20 wrote:
btickler wrote:
hdbb8 wrote:
@Marie-anne New York isn't the worst, if you disregard absolutely everything over the last 6 months.
There's a saying in England: "if my aunt had....." nevermind.
@Btickler with regards to population density, we could discuss Mumbai which is called "the most densely populated urban area on earth" by USA Today. New York's deaths are as bad as the entirety of India. There goes the population density excuse.
And did you just get excited about a fact-check that was "mostly true"? I mean... it's lower than my usual standard, I admit
I'll say again, as you seem to want to go around in circles, that the stats are abysmal. If you do not think so, then we will have to agree to disagree.
Have a good weekend.
We don't really know what cases are like in India. India and Russia claimed in the mere hundreds of cases for weeks on end at the beginning of the outbreak, and were clearly hiding their totals until it became impossible for them to pretend they were actually real anymore.
Population density is a criteria that comes into play in, say, creating a hotspot from what might otherwise be a normal rate of infection. Population density does not magically generate cases out of thin air merely by people existing in closer proximity. So, if Mumbai starts getting a lot of community spread, population density will fan the flames. But you already knew that before you made your argument. It just suited you to trot it out anyway.
There's another saying in England...you bodged your argument.
I know what cases are in India because i'm living here... There is no need to hide total patients as you're saying... India effected badly just after to remove lockdown in the starting month of June and it is the main reason to have so many cases in past weeks... at present total active cases are 3,59,701 in India.
You know how many cases there are because you live there? I guess you are onto something here..
That there is a significant problem - are you meant to self isolate until your test result comes back? That's like half the time to self isolate when you do have it.
I am expected to yes. And I am.
But so many will not, of course. It is human nature to assume you do not have the Covid, until you know for sure you do. That something happens to other people. Never yourself.
Plus, I am not allowed to return to work, until that test comes back. My boss was shocked, when I told him takes that long.