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noodles2112

btickler - I take it you have not researched how NASA performs/orchestrates their illusions. There is no agenda other than exposing NASA. If NASA didn't make so many mistakes i.e. blunders they would probably not get caught faking space adventures so often. I think NASA knows many/most people only need a real rocket launch for about a minute and then CGI/cartoon animations for the rest to be believed. 

Elroch - if NASA was legit and the earth was in fact a spinning ball in space they could easily prove that in a myriad of ways. Why do they use CGI/Cartoon Animations when they allegedly have the technology to show things as they claim they really are? Did you pay attention to the last moon mission with Artemis? They showed about 1 minute of a rocket and then hours of CGI/Cartoons. Why do they use CGI/Cartoon animations? The answer is very very simple. They must use it because they have No Other Way to produce it. 

One must believe CGI/Cartoon animations are facsimiles of reality in order to believe NASA. 

Elroch

noodles, I have explained to you that anyone capable of walking up a decent sized peak with a theodolite (and the competence to use it) can demonstrate the Earth is definitely not flat.

Gurgling about NASA doesn't stop that.

Also, my point about the celestial sphere that surrounds the spherical Earth and appears to rotate (due to the rotation of the Earth) around the axis between the North Pole of the sky and the South Pole of the sky (only one being visible from each hemisphere of our planet.

And many other things even a bright child can understand.

noodles2112

Elroch - the fact remains that all scientific experiments/tests that were intended to prove the earth moves inadvertently proved the opposite i.e. that the earth is stationary. 

I have searched high/low for any scientific experiment that proves the earth moves. I have found none. All I find is theoretical assumptions. Heck, you use a train/airplane to prove the earth moves. 

That is NOT science no matter how you wish to slice it. 

Do you know of any scientist/experiment via the scientific method that has proved beyond any doubt the earth moves?

If such a test/experiment existed that proved the earth moves then flat earthers would cease to exist. 

 

DiogenesDue
noodles2112 wrote:

Elroch - the fact remains that all scientific experiments/tests that were intended to prove the earth moves inadvertently proved the opposite i.e. that the earth is stationary. 

I have searched high/low for any scientific experiment that proves the earth moves. I have found none. All I find is theoretical assumptions. Heck, you use a train/airplane to prove the earth moves. 

That is NOT science no matter how you wish to slice it. 

Do you know of any scientist/experiment via the scientific method that has proved beyond any doubt the earth moves?

If such a test/experiment existed that proved the earth moves then flat earthers would cease to exist. 

Not remotely.  Many such experiments exist.  Flat earthers exist because they are too lazy to learn, and ergo accept whatever seems obvious and sounds plausible to them.  If the conclusion makes scientists seem to be dumb and/or unethical, leveling the playing field, than so much the better for them. 

DiogenesDue
noodles2112 wrote:

btickler - I take it you have not researched how NASA performs/orchestrates their illusions. There is no agenda other than exposing NASA. If NASA didn't make so many mistakes i.e. blunders they would probably not get caught faking space adventures so often. I think NASA knows many/most people only need a real rocket launch for about a minute and then CGI/cartoon animations for the rest to be believed. 

Elroch - if NASA was legit and the earth was in fact a spinning ball in space they could easily prove that in a myriad of ways. Why do they use CGI/Cartoon Animations when they allegedly have the technology to show things as they claim they really are? Did you pay attention to the last moon mission with Artemis? They showed about 1 minute of a rocket and then hours of CGI/Cartoons. Why do they use CGI/Cartoon animations? The answer is very very simple. They must use it because they have No Other Way to produce it. 

One must believe CGI/Cartoon animations are facsimiles of reality in order to believe NASA. 

You are correct, I have not spent time researching conspiracy theories about NASA.

aoidaiki
noodles2112 wrote:

Elroch - the fact remains that all scientific experiments/tests that were intended to prove the earth moves inadvertently proved the opposite i.e. that the earth is stationary. 

I have searched high/low for any scientific experiment that proves the earth moves. I have found none. All I find is theoretical assumptions. Heck, you use a train/airplane to prove the earth moves. 

That is NOT science no matter how you wish to slice it. 

Do you know of any scientist/experiment via the scientific method that has proved beyond any doubt the earth moves?

If such a test/experiment existed that proved the earth moves then flat earthers would cease to exist. 

 

Many years ago, in highschool, I remember learning about the coriolis effect. This comes into play when doing things like taking long flights, launching missiles, launching satellites... there are probably millions of professionals, working hundreds of different jobs, that all make use of such facts every day... there are thousands of experiments and proofs every day... and this would be obvious to anyone who paid attention in school when they were a child...

This sort of conspiracy only works if millions and millions of people are in on it. People from  nearly every nation spanning back over 100 years... it's not possible for humans to keep such secrets.

aoidaiki

A way to conceptualize infinity for someone who might be interested in that.

1:12:20 to 1:13:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orMtwOz6Db0&ab_channel=LexFridman


And of course listening until the end of that segment is interesting.

noodles2112

btickler  - you know there is a vast difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact. As far as flat earthers go, you must understand that they were all once globe believers. Laziness has nothing to do with it. I believed the globe for over 40 years. I enjoyed my astronomy courses and entertained my drinking buddies with fantastical stories I really believed to be true. I never questioned it until about 10 years ago. That is when I discovered how impossible it is. That in reality, it was/is a "belief".  NASA is the propaganda arm for heliocentrism. Then of course the need arose for more "space agencies" to continue the deceptions. The assumption that NASA did not have the filming technology to fake a moon mission in 1969 is erroneous. Kubrick's 2001 - A Space Odyssey was released in 1968. The Wizard of Oz in 1939. 

noodles2112

aoidaiki -  Only takes a few to fool multitudes. Perhaps the allegory of Plato's Cave would be helpful. If a few control the dissemination of the majority of information it is not difficult at all. The fact is, that is exactly how they do it.  Take NASA for example. Over 70,000 employees but Only a few who are privy to everything. The majority of employees at NASA know next to nothing. I know this because I have 2 relatives who have worked for NASA for more than 20 years and they really don't know what they are doing, they are only 'TOLD' what to do.....and thus 'what to believe'. 

Do you believe every single employee at Amazon down to the janitors knows everything the CEO's/board members know?  Of course not ! They are compartmentalized into knowing ONLY a very little about anything. Just enough to do their repetitive menial tasks. 

What/how are we all taught in school.  The majority is basic memorization/regurgitation. The gov't schools teach kids "what to think" not "how to think". 

aoidaiki
noodles2112 wrote:

aoidaiki -  Only takes a few to fool multitudes.

If it were only a few then it wouldn't be a problem, but that's not how it is... there are millions of people.

For example, flying from Sydney to South Africa on a globe is traveling over the ocean... on a flat earth you'd fly over multiple large countries including India. In other words everyone who works air traffic control in India would have to be in on the secret. The people who work and travel on the plane would have to be in on it or told not to look out their windows... engineers who design planes would have to secretly design them to be twice as fast since on a globe the route is significantly shorter... but this means commercial aircraft is hypersonic meaning you also have to lie about physics (no sonic booms over India every day?) and history (natural progression of war planes, war strategy, specific war battles) and...

...this is just ONE example. Another good one would be satellite communications. Like I said, MILLIONS of people would have to be in on it across nearly all countries for 100 years. Secrets don't work like that.

You think the globe earth is just some odd textbook fact that never comes up in real life, but I'm telling you it comes up thousands of times every day and affects millions of people EVERY DAY. If you knew more you'd have picked some other conspiracy to believe in.

aoidaiki

And really, wireless communication in general should be a large argument.

How high does a broadcasting tower need to be in order to reach from point A to B? How much power does the transmitter need? What strength of signal should we expect at point B? Same question for satellites. This is not sophistry, this is what governments and companies spend billions and millions of dollars on, this is the kind of logistics war-time generals make use of. If your model isn't correct, if you're not transmitting with enough power, then your company fails, or you lose the war, etc.

A flat vs globe earth didn't make much of a difference 1000 years ago, but the fact is ubiquitous in modern life. Literally millions of people, and in every country, would have to be lying about it to keep it a secret... for... what reason? Even the reason doesn't make sense.

Elroch
noodles2112 wrote:

Elroch - I know all about the opposition to FE that has come about in the last few years. You have the timing a tad wrong. It was in ancient Greek times that the smartest people (like Eratosthenes) not only believed the Earth was ball-shaped but verified this fact through some of the best science in the ancient world. There has not been a time since then that the most competent people believed in anything but a ball-shaped Earth. So you are just a little slow in catching up.

YouTube deleted numerous accounts/videos etc. 

I ask you this, if flat earth was so utterly ridiculous why would they need to do this and then create their own anti-flat earth videos and flood YouTube with them etc.?

Youtube does not make any such videos. A tiny proportion of the near unanimous consensus of the competent do so. It is strange that you do not understand the motivation of people who like to present the truth in a clear way.

After 500 years why is heliocentric theory still in need of being proved?

You are asking me why you (and others like you) do not yet understand established fact?

While I have to leave most of that up to you, I can help you out by pointing out that two crucial factors are your lack of competence and inappropriate arrogance.

And look at those videos of the stars I posted.

I am not aware where you have posted such a video, nor have I seen one. I can point out that given that star images are tiny compared to one pixel on the cameras.

How can you say they are out of focus?

You have not done the compare/contrast I ask for like you did with the Saturn pics. Please post  comparison pics of stars.

Stars are smaller than one pixel to all telescopes and cameras. Is that really too difficult?

I want to see what the "real scientists" claim are stars light years away with their multimillion dollar telescopes  with the amateur astronomers pics/video footage of the stars using the Nikon P900/1000 telescopic camera. 

We can all look at them and decide for ourselves which are more reliable.

The question of which is more reliable between all those with expertise on astronomy and the best telescopes in the world, OR some random guy with no expertise and a cheap consumer camera is not a difficult one to most of us. Nor should it be to you.

Post a link to your best "video of a star". (To be frank I am not quite sure why you need a video. Are you expecting the star to change while it is being taken?)

"Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!
Up above the world so high,
Like a diamond in the sky."

DiogenesDue
noodles2112 wrote:

btickler  - you know there is a vast difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact. As far as flat earthers go, you must understand that they were all once globe believers. Laziness has nothing to do with it. I believed the globe for over 40 years. I enjoyed my astronomy courses and entertained my drinking buddies with fantastical stories I really believed to be true. I never questioned it until about 10 years ago. That is when I discovered how impossible it is. That in reality, it was/is a "belief".  NASA is the propaganda arm for heliocentrism. Then of course the need arose for more "space agencies" to continue the deceptions. The assumption that NASA did not have the filming technology to fake a moon mission in 1969 is erroneous. Kubrick's 2001 - A Space Odyssey was released in 1968. The Wizard of Oz in 1939. 

Translation:  a decade ago your belief system changed when your cognitive abilities had diminished to a point that allowed conspiracy theories to creep in.  Happens all the time.

noodles2112

aiodiaki - it is flight itself that would be IMPOSSIBLE on a wobbling spinning blasting into oblivion ball.  That is why ALL aeronautical navigations/calculations MUST be based upon a nonrotating stationary flat earth.  Why do you think the PTB are spending so much time, money and resources combatting the flat earth awakening? Oceanic fiber optic cables that crisscross/connect the continents is how 90 plus percent of communications transpires. They are still installing them to this day and have been for decades. The evidence against the moving globe is overwhelming and countless millions worldwide are waking up to it. 

For it is, The Greatest Lie on Earth! 

 

noodles2112

Elroch - Eratosthenes, like all heliocentric "scientists" first had to IMAGINE a ball earth with a sun millions of miles away for his little shadow experiments. Knowing that the sun is locale/close any scientist will get the same shadow results. Furthermore, crepuscular sunrays as well as sun hotspots on earths clouds etc. prove beyond any doubt that the sun is demonstrably much closer to earth and much smaller than the IMAGINED heliocentric assumption. Refer back to my post with the videos of stars. And yes they are fluctuating luminaries. Not giant fireball suns. You ought to be able to see that clearly!

I posted a video of the CEO of YouTube being brought before a Government board and told to squash the flat earth explosion.  And she tried to do just that. I think it backfired! 

noodles2112

btickler - until you understand the difference between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fact you shall remain oblivious! 

DiogenesDue
noodles2112 wrote:

btickler - until you understand the difference between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fact you shall remain oblivious! 

Spoken like a true believer.  Tip:  don't eat the applesauce.

noodles2112

btickler - I cannot stand applesaucewink.png 

Optimissed  - it is human nature to be curious. When told not to do something people will tend to wonder why. There is no such thing as bad publicity. When YouTube changed their algorithms and deleted 10's of thousands of videos/documentaries pertaining to the heliocentric lie a few years ago, people wondered why. Statists were all too happy but now it has made it to mainstream media. The cat is out of the bag. How they intend to keep people in the dark I do not know but they have been working diligently to curtail/hinder/abolish free speech. They would like nothing more than to have all dissemination of information controlled from the top down. In my opinion, they are not too far away from achieving that goal. But they must do it in a way that most people cannot notice and those that do must be labeled lunaticswink.png 

noodles2112

Elroch - I learned something recently about the first 'known' person to postulate the sun being the center of the universe. He came along prior to Eratosthenes. His name was Aristarchus of Samos. 310BC - 230BC. So, Eratosthenes already assumed, as did Aristarchus, that the sun was very far away as well as being very large and the earth spherical before he did his shadow experiment to validate his assumption. However, like I said, that experiment works both ways but we can observe that crepuscular sunrays/sun hotspots is indicative of a localized light source. 

noodles2112

Heliocentrism, which theorizes that the earth orbits the sun as it also spins, is the seminal scientific theory from which all scientific deception flows. Heliocentrism is not based upon science; it is based upon religious superstition. Heliocentricity is the progenitor of the theory of evolution.