Does True Randomness Actually Exist? ( ^&*#^%$&#% )

cheers!

hair of the dog : )

ok, now I get it. it has 2 lateral wheels that works with a gyro balancing system. sort of a seated segway.
this remind me of the Bmw self balancing/ self driven bike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI9S5It7Dn8

Elon musk is quit a character thats for sure. he has "hands on" everything. he even started up a private school for his kids.
I was impressed when he say that he like to encourage their own individual appeals and talents instead of a catch all approach. so say that one child is attracted to engineering and another one to art, they will be able to spend more time learning what they enjoy instead of what an administrator/teacher dictate. he said that his kids love to go to school because of it.

are you boyz staying out of trouble with all that booze flow? lol. bacon garnish on a booldy mary? remind me of a shrimpless shrimp cocktail, lol

@Sillver1  Interesting, I had no idea that self driving motorcycles were a reality. They are already working on self driving human beings, so why not motorcycles? lol. Yeah, I’m quite aware of what’s going on the roads these days. How drivers behave and such, it’s making me a leaner towards this technology I’ll tell you that much. I was in San Francisco today with my semi, and I just got to tell you.. Things can and should be done differently, I’ll leave it at that.

I use to read Omni magazine a lot back in the day for my tech news. Now I just feel stretched out with the flow of information available these days. That however is incumbent on me to deal with, as I truly feel that we’re all in this together. The more information available to all of us the better, screw it. The caveat however being true information, true facts. This is the joker in the deck, as I’m sure it’s always been.

We do come full circle after all of that and choose a course. (As individuals.)

Almost forgot.. The information that I initially gleaned about the dicycle came from this source..

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/

You talk about true information and i agree, but my take is that we are actually bombarded with misinformation. lets see if i can organize that thought by dividing it to 3 major categories.
first category include deliberate and intentional misinformation, such as dishonesty, deceptions, etc. this is usually motivated to achieve some goals if its monetary, power, prestige, etc. good example are marketers and politicians. lol

second category is misinformation that simply manufactured unintentionally. such as errors, misunderstandings, etc.

Third, and that's the one that is really fascinating me, is misinformation that we manufacture unconsciously and unintentionally. in other words, our brain play a trick on us,
and we end up lying to ourselves first and then go ahead and spread those lies like a disease.
Compartmentalization is a good example of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization(psychology)

Direct link

ok, that's enough for now. these are nonrefined thoughts and more of just a sticky mess in my head at this point. lol. so any criticizing or input is welcome and appreciated.

and btw, the self driving bike are different from cars and not meant for mess production, its just something that help them to better understand and design safety features.

driving a semi in SF sound like a nightmare to me. I mean with all the uphill, downhill and traffic jams. 

@Sillver1  Your points are well taken. The third one that is special to you I should like to address shortly. 

I think that the lines between truth and fiction are so well blurred these days, that it is quite easy to slip into a mild catatonic state. (I’m talking about the news here.) Did you know that ‘news’ started out as an acronym for north, east, west, south?

Now, if I want to learn how to build a treehouse for my children, or a raised planter box for my wife.. Then that information will be true and correct. There are plenty of examples of ‘absolute’ information, and I believe that this type falls into the majority.

Of course, I could absolutely be wrong. If you want to insert ‘history’ here, well, who is to say what the balance would look like then?

As to your third.. Yes, the brain can play ‘tricks’ on us and society. I think something deeper is at play here though. We have built in defensive mechanisms to ourselves. Those default behaviors are probably more at play in our daily lives than most people, or institutions realize. Some people understand this and game the system, that is a problem.

I read your ‘compartmentalization’ page and I agree with it. It’s a defensive mechanism taking over. I carry an interest in NLP and will provide a link. Hard for me on this apple phone. But I was reading ‘Frogs into Princess’ and it was stolen from me. My biggest takeaway to that point was ‘thinking in frames’.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming 

not sure what you mean by "thinking in frames"

I looked briefly at your NLP link yet my knowledge about linguistics is too limited to get a good understanding of it right off the bat.
as far as absolute truth's i agree with you that its usually caps at simple tasks or physics. for example if you freeze water youll end up with ice, if you boil it will turn into steam. there's no need to question that and everyone will agree, whereas if you ask about true randomness (back on topic? lol) you'll get plenty of opinions so we have to conclude that "we just dont know" (by plenty of opinions i mean comparing apple to apple as in asking professionals, not just playing semantics)

but here is my problem... in order to get the truth, we need to dig to the bottom of things right?

so lets examine our very basic foundation of our knowledge. that is our human experience? and our experience consist on just handful elements..
1.space(3d environment)
2.Time (measuring motion)
3.Matter (form of energy i guess?)
4.life (arguably just extension of #3)

so here is my problem...
#1. We have no idea what space is. we dont even know if its really exist. (well, we may have ideas but have no idea if there's any truth to them, lol)
#2. We dont know what time is. just the same as with #1.
#3. here is where we finally getting somewhere... we do have some knowledge about what is matter, and how it behave almost down to the atoms and particles. but that where we go blank again.
of course you can argue that quantum mechanics is complete, but I believe it to be yet another cognitive bias in order to deal with the unthinkable truth of our ignorance.

#4 We have no idea what life really is (edited as I originally forgot that one)

So there. here's my absolute truth... just one big fat question mark. lol. It always makes me smile to be reminded of my grandma saying... "just be happy, thats the only thing that matter."

sorry for the lengthy post,  and just before I'll leave to get some beers ... lol. here's a "short list" of close to 200 separated ways our minds play tricks on us...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

@Sillver1  Your grandmother sounds like a very wise woman indeed! : ) As far as staying on topic goes, I think we are. After all, this is a ‘random’ conversation is it not? lol

yea, wish she was still alive. we are on topic tho... trying to prove that random actually exist.

but I think that you may have killed the Uke with that long island tea. lol

@Sillver1  Well, it’s not a bad way to go if you got to go. However, I think it more likely that he is playing a ukulele somewhere. https://youtu.be/Ew193GUrmLQ

@Sillver1  Anyway, I’ll go into ‘frames’ just a little bit here. Like I said, it’s been several years, if my examples suck so be it.

In this frame you got some poor sap selling cutlery sets door to door, or through a cold call list for a presentation. No doubt he is also relying on friends and family for mercy sales. The common theme here is that he has to go to them for the money. This guy is in a ‘wanting’ frame. No one really needs him.

In this frame, you got a guy selling fireworks in season. Let’s say his company has a monopoly on the fireworks for the city that he works in. The stands and locations are somewhat spread out. Now the frame has switched. He doesn’t go to them for the money now, they come to him. He is operating out of the ‘scarcity’ frame.

So that’s the jist of it. Whatever you may find yourself doing, ask .. What frame am I currently operating in? As you get more adept at this, the identification process, you can consciously and purposefully change them in the moment. Or to better understand how others may have positioned themselves. Either on purpose, or through happenstance.

so you mean frames as in outline and isolate a specific situation in order to be able to focus on the essence of it?
lets take your cutlery salesman as an example...
he's in "sales chasing frame". so now we can focus on the essence of this frame. if he's comfortable with chasing sales but don't make enough income, he can change his merchant from cutlery to say life insurance. if he love cutlery but hate to chase sales, he may look for employment in a brick and mortar cutlery store. (or something around these lines)

am I on the right track? do you use the same approach with other things? say emotions.. and frame someone in say anger, fear or a happy frame?

@Sillver1  Yes, you are on the right track with your initial assessment. But you do understand why the guy in my example, did what he did right? He stayed in sales, because he likes sales. What he did was, change the frame so that money chases him, not the other way around. You see?

Ok, here is another way of looking at it. Have you ever heard anyone say.. “I need to get into the right ‘frame’ of mind first.” ..? Why do you think they say that before they take action? This is where one might have an aha moment in understanding this stuff. 

Obviously the guy is trying to ‘position’ himself. He is setting the frame that he wants to operate out of, for the interaction that is about to take place. This is about as basic as it gets, it’s all about ‘positioning’. 

Lets say some guy already knows that he and  his buddies have plans to go to a Country bar at the end of the week. He’s looking forward to it, yet he wants to have an ‘edge’..

So he devises a plan to have someone in the band call him up on stage during the show. All the women and people are watching these guys half the night, then one of the members calls ‘Eric’ on stage. Just a quick intro, and a slap on the back maybe. 

Do you think now he stands out more than his buddies when he goes back to the table? Remember, he orchestrated this on purpose to set a specific frame. .  .  Can you tell me what that might be?

its interesting, i'm just not in the right frame of mind right this moment, ill get back to it later : )

first comes to mind is 'attention seeking' frame or maybe 'awareness seeking' to be more positive. 2nd is 'popularity by association' 3rd is 'manipulative' or 'slick' and i can go on and on.
maybe all of the above? thats why in my previous comment i mentioned outlining and isolating so it can be a practical tool to focus on just a single aspect instead of being all over the place.

That's it. 

Yes, in quantum mechanics. Heisenburg's uncertainty principle shows that there is always unknowable information, and that means there are results of potential experiments which contain absolute randomness that can never be removed. (Relating to the previous part of this post, this entails that there is always some ignorance about future observations of a quantum system).

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