Earth is flat. Prove me wrong.

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Philosophy answers the question, "Why?" with the simple answer, "Why not."

The sciences, and their roots predate, and are fundamentally different from, philosophy. It could be said that philosophy is the child if that very early questioning which was not philosophical but practical.

"How?" rather than "Why?"
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I assume you don't think the Earth is 2D mdinnerspace, since we can dig underground.  So what shape is it? cuboid? cylindrical?

Also if the Earth is accelerating upwards, why do objects appear to accelerate downwards at a slower rate when further up??

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http://apps.esriuk.com/app/TimPeake/3/wmt/view/d64115f341c54560bdf7582052818809/index.html

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The whole of the standard model, physics, is about how the universe works and has nothing at all to do with why it works.
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About the Foucault Pendulum, see the video below, specially in 39:00.

The whole video is nice.

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Or why it exists at all.
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This guy analysed the flights over the south hemisphere. 

He proves that Antarctica is not a continent.

Very interesting.

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cavetiger wrote:
The whole of the standard model, physics, is about how the universe works and has nothing at all to do with why it works.

not sure I agree; to understand how things work we need to keep asking why.

Example: red shift shows the universe is expanding.  By asking 'why?' the theory of dark energy was established

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ABOUT THE FLIGHTS: air companies seems to follow the Earth Flat Theory, according to the pic below (I took from the video above):

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Seriously??  That flat earth map is not to scale; and everyone knows flights across the globe aren't straight lines, they follow the curvature

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Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe (Forgotten Books) Paperback – December 28, 2007

 

https://www.amazon.com/Zetetic-Astronomy-Earth-Globe-Forgotten/dp/1605064173

Book Description: 

"Samuel Birley Rowbotham, under the pseudonym 'Parallax', lectured for two decades up and down Britain promoting his unique flat earth theory. This book, in which he lays out his world system, went through three editions, starting with a 16 page pamphlet published in 1849 and a second edition of 221 pages published in 1865. The third edition of 1881 (which had inflated to 430 pages) was used as the basis of this etext.

Rowbotham was an accomplished debater who reputedly steamrollered all opponents, and his followers, who included many well-educated people, were equally tenacious. One of them, John Hampden, got involved in a bet with the famous naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace about the flat earth. An experiment which Hampden proposed didn't resolve the issue, and the two ended up in court in 1876. The judge ruled against Hampton, who started a long campaign of legal harassment of Wallace. Rowbotham hints at the incident in this book.

Rowbotham believed that the earth is flat. The contients float on an infinite ocean which somehow has a layer of fire underneath it. The lands we know are surrounded by an infinite wilderness of ice and snow, beyond the Antarctic ocean, bordered by an immense circular ice-cliff. What we call the North Pole is in the center of the earth.

The polar projection of the flat earth creates obvious discrepancies with known geography, particularly the farther south you go. Figure 54 inadvertantly illustrates this problem. The Zetetic map has a severly squashed South America and Africa, and Australia and New Zealand in the middle of the Pacific. I think that by the 19th century people would have noticed if Australia and Africa were thousands of miles further apart than expected, let alone if Africa was wider than it was long!

The Zetetic Sun, moon, planets and stars are all only a few hundred miles above the surface of the earth. The sun orbits the north pole once a day at a constant altitude. The moon is both self-illuminated and semi-transparent. Eclipses can be explained by some unknown object occulting the sun or moon. Zetetic cosmology is 'faith-based', based, that is, on a literal interpretation of selected Biblical quotes. Hell is exactly as advertised, directly below us. Heaven is not a state of mind, it is a real place, somewhere above us. He uses Ussherian Biblical chronology to mock the concept that stars could be millions of light years away. He attacks the concept of a plurality of worlds because no other world than this one is mentioned in the Bible.

Rowbotham never adequately explains his alternative astronomy. If the Copernican theory so adequately explains planetary motions, why discard it, and what would he use in its place? What is the sun orbiting around once a day and how does it work like a spotlight, not a 'point source'? If the moon is self-luminous, what creates its phases? If gravity appears to work here on earth, why doesn't it apply to the celestial objects just a few hundred miles up?

To make his system work he had to throw out a great deal of science, including the scientific method itself, using instead what he calls a 'Zetetic' method. As far as I can see this is simply a license to employ circular reasoning (e.g., the earth is flat, hence we can see distant lighthouses, hence the earth is flat).

Zetetic Astronomy is a key work of flat-earth thought, just as Donnelly's Atlantis, the Antediluvian World is still considered required reading on the subject of Atlantis. If you ever have to debate the flat earth pro or con, this book is a complete agenda of each point that you'll have to argue." (Quote from sacred-texts.com)

Table of Contents: 

Publisher's Preface; Preface To The Second Edition; Zetetic And Theoretic Defined And Compared; Experiments Demonstrating The True Form Of Standing Water, And Proving The Earth To Be A Plane; The Earth No Axial Or Orbital Motion; The

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German ENGINEER/ PILOT Confirms FLAT EARTH & says GPS Satellites Don't Exist on THECONTROVERSY7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdZQA9tA3E

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchtwf5Fvhc

 26 de mai de 2015

Part one of an in-depth examination of some of the evidence that indicates that the Earth is not a spinning, orbiting globe.

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Bilbo21 wrote:

Seriously??  That flat earth map is not to scale; and everyone knows flights across the globe aren't straight lines, they follow the curvature

The round earth model is the one that is not to scale. Those plane routes that I showed before do follow a curvature when put on the round earth model, but the curvature is no where near what would be the shortest route between the two locations on a round earth, i.e., the great circle.

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What a boring discussion. Please prove me that there is no such thing as planet Earth in our solarsystem.

(In case someone needs a starting point, I can say that there is no need for Earth. We all live in countries. :D )

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Bilbo21 wrote:

Seriously??  That flat earth map is not to scale; and everyone knows flights across the globe aren't straight lines, they follow the curvature

The round earth model is the one that is not to scale. Those plane routes that I showed before do follow a curvature when put on the round earth model, but the curvature is no where near what would be the shortest route between the two locations on a round earth, i.e., the great circle.

So according to that map, you can't fly over Antarctica, you would fly off the end of the Earth (which would've accelerated upwards by then.  Veeerry logical.

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The Earth is FLAT ~The planes help to prove the plane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNVgzk3tbl0

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Fair point, Bilbo. That "why" about the redshift is a practical question though and I would argue that it to refers to a mechanism which is really a "how" and not a why. If we were enquiring why it happens philosophically ee would bd inquiring after a purpose and not s mechanism.

Accordingly I stand by my earlier statement.
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yes cavetiger, I guess there's not always such a clear distinction between the whys and the hows.  But most technology is based on natural things we don't fully understand - but know enough about how it works to be utilised.

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