Earth is flat. Prove me wrong.

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cavetiger
If I ask someone why they did something they will give me their reason for doing it. They will not explain how they did it.

For example:

"Why did you hit me?"

"Well, I lifted my hand up and balled my fist and then I threw that balled fist at you." Is not an answer to the question.

"Because I was angry." is.

The distinction between how something is and why it is are worlds apart.
cavetiger
Physics only answers how. Philosophy attempts to answer why and is usually shown to be in error as the centuries pass.
mdinnerspace

Daddy... is the earth flat?

Dad... yes son

but Dad... Jimmy Dad says the earth is round.

Dad... he's not very bright son

but Daddy... why?

Dad... because son, if the earth were round everybody knows we'd be unable to stand up straight. Everybody would lean to one side, opposite the direction of Rotational spin.

ANOK1

as things to believe in your belief in a flat earth is relatively harmless i suppose and hurts no one so cool marco

MarcoBR444
ANOK1 wrote:

as things to believe in your belief in a flat earth is relatively harmless i suppose and hurts no one so cool marco

In fact, I always believed Earth was round and I like the modern science.

But reading the Flat Earth Theory, I think this theory is consistent.

The only way to BELIEVE in round Earth is to BELIEVE in NASA and others spacial agencies.

For now, I think the Flat Earth Theory is interesting to read, but in fact I really do not know.

Round Earth sounds more reasonable for me, but Flat Earth is quite intriging.

cavetiger
Somebody's Dad talks in tautologies md. "Rotational spin".
cavetiger
Particle spin:

"The existence of spin angular momentum is inferred from experiments, such as the Stern–Gerlach experiment, in which particles are observed to possess angular momentum that cannot be accounted for by orbital angular momentum alone."

from wiki.

Spin is s quantum value and only a quantum value. A particle's spin is either one way, or the other. No speed, velocity or acceleration or anything else. It's probably closest to a vector value in classical mechanics.
cavetiger
Close up a photon, for example, looks like wave for some purposes snd a particle for others. A rotating wave is not "spin"
mdinnerspace

Rotational spin refers to a newly discovered phenomenon of celestial bodies. Last month's Scientific America published a study, with photographs from Hubble.

Basically, as a planet rotates in one direction it incurs a spin factor. The planet is simultaneously spinning at a 90 degree angle to the axis of the planet. The spin is extremely slow, not detectable here on earth. Mathamatics shows the faster the rotation, the faster the spin. Hubble observed a planet rotating at nearly half the speed of light and clearly observed the spin.

Hope that clears up any ambiguous reference.

mdinnerspace

kaynight wrote:

Gawwd.. It's a night out for geeks.

Who you calling a geek?

I resemble that remark.

cavetiger
I was considering some very fast rotating black holes there md. I was wondering that heavenly bodies rotate about their own axes as they orbit other bodies. I don't think this is a quantum phenomena because it has values such as velocity.

I can't find any references for rotational spin yet but I'll keep looking.
cavetiger
From Scientific American:

"What exactly is the 'spin' of subatomic particles such as electrons and protons? Does it have any physical significance, analogous to the spin of a planet?"

"When certain elementary particles move through a magnetic field, they are deflected in a manner that suggests they have the properties of little magnets. In the classical world, a charged, spinning object has magnetic properties that are very much like those exhibited by these elementary particles. Physicists love analogies, so they described the elementary particles too in terms of their 'spin.'

"Unfortunately, the analogy breaks down, and we have come to realize that it is misleading to conjure up an image of the electron as a small spinning object. Instead we have learned simply to accept the observed fact that the electron is deflected by magnetic fields. If one insists on the image of a spinning object, then real paradoxes arise; unlike a tossed softball, for instance, the spin of an electron never changes, and it has only two possible orientations. In addition, the very notion that electrons and protons are solid 'objects' that can 'rotate' in space is itself difficult to sustain, given what we know about the rules of quantum mechanics. The term 'spin,' however, still remains."
cavetiger
You don't have to read it, Kay.
cavetiger
Is that a royal "we"?
cavetiger
Or just royalist "wee"?
mdinnerspace

ToA seeks to unify the quantum with gravitational theory. I seek to unify the quantum with the macro. Is it reasonable for the properties of black holes to behave the same as sub-atomic particles? The quantum appears to behave much to weird at the moment, but maybe there is an order we hav'nt observed.

Just read CHAOS by James Gleick for the 2nd time. Making a new science. The Mendelbrot Sets are fascinating. The newly discovered geometry of nature I think will open many doors of understanding.

cavetiger
The macro is gravitation.
mdinnerspace
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mdinnerspace

mdinnerspace wrote:

cavetiger wrote:

The macro is gravitation.

And more.

The least understood element is Time.

Time is a seperate aspect of the equation. It's effects are far more reaching than thought.

A_G_A
Bilbo21 wrote:
A_G_A wrote:
Bilbo21 wrote:

Seriously??  That flat earth map is not to scale; and everyone knows flights across the globe aren't straight lines, they follow the curvature

The round earth model is the one that is not to scale. Those plane routes that I showed before do follow a curvature when put on the round earth model, but the curvature is no where near what would be the shortest route between the two locations on a round earth, i.e., the great circle.

So according to that map, you can't fly over Antarctica, you would fly off the end of the Earth (which would've accelerated upwards by then.  Veeerry logical.

The fact that they do not fly in the correct great circles or over Antarctica supports the flat earth model.

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