Global warming - an urgent problem requiring radical solution (no politics or religion)

Speculation regarding whether a river was frozen about 250 years ago is hardly relevant to this forum thread. But what the heck, the World Wide Web is an opened-ended-invitation to mis-information, dis-information, and just plain stupidity when in comes to relevance to this forum topic?

Anyone who can read English, can easily agree with above? Surely?

For someone who has nitpicked from the sidelines for 14 years now, I can see how attempting to talk about and dispelling misinformation to some positive end might come across as a useless gesture...but this entire thread has been about dispelling misinformation for many years now and analogous examples are not really that out of bounds, considering...ss long as they do not descend into many pages of back and forth.

That one I can agree with.
Its a 'www' of Tik Tok and Xbox and 'truth' sites that are 'false' sites.
But the real info and science can and are also presented.
Of those billion plus people who reject climate news and climate science it doesn't seem likely that they're going to change their minds. They 'don't like it and don't trust it'
But there's also the kids coming up - and the newcomers to discussions of the subjects who haven't made up their minds.

I think discussing misinformation on a thread about climate is fairly relevant considering this particular thread has been sidelined by conversations about speed limits, chem trails, as whether or not global climate relates to local weather.

There is a common thread, or actually many common threads tying these discussions together and it isn't always explained away by stupidity.

Poor quality education, parochial thinking and political brainwashing are but a few conditions that breed ignorance.

In a perfect world schools would teach things germane to life today on this little planet. But they don't. So we are faced with an ever growing number of heads filled with mush. Better they were left empty.

that makes me wanna play global warming twister now. zee ?...u spin ok ?

I'm not sure I agree that a billion people do not accept the premise that the climate is warming and humans are causing it.

I've done several searches using varied questions and it seems the consensus is closer to 90% agreement.

From the point of view of online commentary that seems rather high but I'm not sure any estimation is accurate considering the way polls are taken and the tendency for people to answer question like they think they should rather than what they really believe.

In my opinion, based simply on interactions of my own, a large percentage have no opinion or just haven't paid much attention.

I won't go as far as to say they don't care

but that may be the case.

Life, after all, presents us with myriad things to wonder and worry about.

let urself go uncle. go rollerskating in a rink. lift ur arms way up & close ur eyes & just skate. purely on feel...and sound. let the music take u round & round. smell for the perfume and follow it.

GO ! u crazy old man !! GO !! ...DO IT !!

You're preaching to the choir. I'm likely the free-est bird in this coop.

Yeah, you are definitely a bird-brain.

Speaking of bird brains, mister washington has another anti-climate thread posting all the same bogus charts, etc. A moderator commented that the charts were altered and phony conclusions were based on them but said the site doesn't prevent misinformation.

I thought that was funny.

Endless games has added his usual complaints about the planet being too cold for him.

The funniest thing was actually this garbage from the OP:

The Biosphere People hypothesis envisions an Eemian culture that, facing glacial advance, migrated to an equatorial Atlantis, building precise megalithic bioreactors to terraform Earth via methane release. Their organic housing vanished, leaving only stone relics misattributed to later civilizations. Myths of lost paradises and “ancients” may preserve their story. Though speculative, this framework challenges assumptions about ancient ingenuity, urging exploration of humanity’s early environmental resilience.

But that is about all you will hear from me on that thread and its topic...first, because I was blocked the moment I posted (ExploringWA already knows from half a dozen other threads he can't handle his arguments being blown apart without him running off for 3-6 months), but second because letting a crackpot's thread flourish by interacting with it long term is irresponsible in this forum ecosystem . We've already seen this in the past. Waiting for moderators to shut down a thread for misinformation turned out to be folly.

The thread will die if left alone, because the only reason it gets any traction in the first place is that people like to watch the spectacle. Without the back and forth, which doesn't exist without better informed people, there's nothing to offer. Let them talk about their Atlantis technology, their past lives, their daffodils and golf, and their imaginary highway systems.

Yeah he threatened me with dismissal but I just left him to his nut house.

Regarding what is to be done about the disaster that is manmade climate change -
a lot is being done but not nearly enough.
Is 'interfering with disinformation' also necessary? Is it on that list?
I would say yes.
Even though the billion people who have already made their choice are unlikely to change.
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Regarding the mechanism of re-interpreting 'global' versus 'regional' in order to reject the news and information and science describing disastrous manmade climate change -
there's another major one.
Re-interpreting the era. The times of events.
Then and now. The distant past and past and present and future.
In other words - place and time.
Usually referred to in the other order. Time and place.
Time is 're-interpreted' much as 'regional and global' are.
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I would say the disinformation (and misinformation) position starts with place not time.
Place and news - then science - then alternative science and then the 'times' and back to 'alternative science' again.
Its intricate.
But those rejecting the actual news and science will tend to work more on a lawyer and sales side of it with 'place and time' at the front of their presentations.
There's little real science effort.
They get to be a jury too.
They get to make their own decisions on what to throw out.
And then also get to make their own verdict.

Its correct that even the roads are affected by high temperatures.
So are railroads too. The heat affects the steel.
Multiple railroad lines had to close completely during this heatwave.
Which isn't over yet.
Heatwaves get people's attention.
But some will say it 'was going to happen anyway so lets not blame it on burning coal for electricity'
But that's the biggest culprit. And will continue to be for many years.
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Just had a funny thought.
If some of those billion people who reject climate news and climate science suddenly click and finally admit:
'Yes! Its caused by the atmospheric CO2 being way up over 400 instead of the 280 its supposed to be !!'
But then they say: 'But its the climate scientists that are to blame! They should have told us! Why didn't they tell us?? Its their fault! And their leaders' fault!'
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I don't understand why it takes so long for the temp to drop after full sundown

the sun works in mysterious wayz.

The sun warms the ground. The more heat the ground absorbs, the longer it takes to cool down after the heat source (the sun) is removed.

As days get longer the ground doesn't shed all of its warmth in the shorter nights, so heat builds up. That's why July and August are hotter than May and June, even though each period gets about the same amount of sunlight.

Enlightening fact - on a clear night it typically gets colder more quickly. The reason is that the heat can radiate straight into space rather than being absorbed by clouds on the way.

Well said...also, if you live near a coast/lakeshore, the ocean keeps things cooler during the day and warmer at night due to water’s high specific heat capacity. Water absorbs and stores large amounts of heat without a big rise in temperature. This moderates daily temperature swings: the ocean (or lake) soaks up heat during the day and slowly releases it at night, keeping coastal areas cooler by day and warmer by night. Oceanography and Meteorology 101 FTW.

Our resident weather complainer lives in NewYork City which is 90% buildings and roadways. Even surrounded by water these take a long time to cool down after a long sunny day. In fact the water creates so much humidity it does more to keep the nights uncomfortable than to help cooling even with onshore breezes.

I lived there for 42 years with no airconditioning at home. It was rough but as a kid in the 50s and 60s no one had A/C.