Mods have discriminated against me!!
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Aug 8, 2016
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#2
I will call Gloria Allred for you. I'm sure she will do this pro bono because of it's importance.
Nothing good comes of things like this. I agree with you that it was unfair, and I contacted staff about it (you can too, here, if you like), but public callouts of mods (or anyone, really) never end well or accomplish anything.
Aug 8, 2016
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#5
There was a lack of clarity for a long time there as to whether Off Topic was "unmoderated" as per the V2 description (except for profanity, vulgarity, racism, etc) or "lightly moderated" (as in, some degree of political or religious commentary was tolerated so long as it remained civil and respectful), which is why those threads you have linked remained open as long as they did.
Anyways, more recent discussion has clarified Chess.com's policies on this and has been communicated throughout the moderator team, which is that there is to be NO religious or political commentary in the open forums - all such discussions must take place in the Open Discussion group, and any such threads identified as such will be locked.
All of those threads you mentioned were then locked and this is being applied going forward.
There are still borderline areas, it's just that the borders have moved from where they used to be: while the Brexit thread remained open until the clarified policies started being applied, the Beexit thread remained open until its allegorical nature became more explicitly political, at which point it was locked.
My personal opinion is that your thread occupies much the same borderline philosophical space: if you can confirm that it is not meant to be or become a religious discussion, I will unlock it and we'll see how it goes.
As BlargDragon has pointed out, you invite greater scrutiny of yourself and your content when you challenge those charged with enforcing the rules, and to be honest, it doesn't really make them inclined to give you any leeway.
Aug 8, 2016
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#6
Why is it that political discussion went from tolerated to not tolerated in the main forums, David? For years it was tolerated until people made vulgar remarks, but now y'all are implying that politics by it's very nature is vulgar, aren't you?
Aug 8, 2016
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#7
Why don't you call your friends or better yet write your congressmen? If you can find three people on the entirety of this site that give a crap about your political beliefs I will take it back but you are just wasting everyones time. Might as well write prose in the tide stained sand. I'm not even sure what misfiring neuron would cause you to want to talk about politics on a chess site. Please just keep it to yourself or your Facebook.
Aug 8, 2016
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#8
I really liked the Brexit discussions... I enjoyed seeing the perspectives from the worldwide membership chess.com has...
PlayChessPoorly wrote:
Why don't you call your friends or better yet write your congressmen? If you can find three people on the entirety of this site that give a crap about your political beliefs I will take it back but you are just wasting everyones time. Might as well write prose in the tide stained sand. I'm not even sure what misfiring neuron would cause you to want to talk about politics on a chess site. Please just keep it to yourself or your Facebook.
It's not that people go to a chess site explicitly to talk about politics. It's that people go to a chess site to find a community, and then they get more acquainted with that community and begin to discuss a broader range of topics, including politics.
Aug 8, 2016
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#10
@ChessPlayPoorly: Without knowing a thing about you I can tell you're a bitter, lonely jerk. That's just my first impression though.
Nicholas_Shannon80 wrote:
On the contrary, David. I assert that the mod "Diakonia" has purposefully targeted me because I accused him of unethical or unusual behavior in a couple of recent blitz games we played. So my assertion was that he was already predisposed to discriminate against me because of our personal discussions prior to this thread- therefore the 'borderline' (which is even pretty debateable) accusation was already heavily slanted because of an emotional response of personal dislike from your mod.
Whether you choose to believe me or not, I am not, and do discriminate agianst you. As for our chess games? You kept asking me if i was paid to throw games?
Aug 8, 2016
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#12
Awww shucks! So we can't be friends? I really wanted to hear what you think about brexit too... Shame really...
Aug 8, 2016
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#13
PlayChessPoorly wrote:
Awww shucks! So we can't be friends? I really wanted to hear what you think about brexit too... Shame really...
Great! A second impression to back up my first impression! Thank you:)
trysts wrote:
Why is it that political discussion went from tolerated to not tolerated in the main forums, David? For years it was tolerated until people made vulgar remarks, but now y'all are implying that politics by it's very nature is vulgar, aren't you?
This is why political/religious discussion has been clamped down on in the Open Forums. This forum post has imploded with insults, and false accusations after 12 posts. And once you add the annonymity of the internet into the mix, it train wrecks quickly.
Aug 8, 2016
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#16
Yes, I was openly accusing you of playing grossly below your abilities. In an attempt to find out why, I needled to see if that was part of your 'duties' as a moderator and if you were paid to play badly.
There was clearly something unusual in your games and rating and I couldn't get a very clear answer as to what was going on.
Aug 8, 2016
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#17
Diakonia wrote:
trysts wrote:
Why is it that political discussion went from tolerated to not tolerated in the main forums, David? For years it was tolerated until people made vulgar remarks, but now y'all are implying that politics by it's very nature is vulgar, aren't you?
This is why political/religious discussion has been clamped down on in the Open Forums. This forum post has imploded with insults, and false accusations after 12 posts. And once you add the annonymity of the internet into the mix, it train wrecks quickly.
But the insults were originated not from political discussion but from some bitter lonely guy on the Internet? That kind of person would be a jerk on any subject. So why would political discussion be seen as the cause?
Aug 8, 2016
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trysts wrote:
Why is it that political discussion went from tolerated to not tolerated in the main forums, David? For years it was tolerated until people made vulgar remarks, but now y'all are implying that politics by it's very nature is vulgar, aren't you?
By its very nature, politics leads to debate which more often than not turns nasty. It's never been tolerated in the main forums and was tolerated in Off Topic because it wasn't clear whether the rules applicable to the main forums applied there too. The recent clarification from the site ownership was "Yes, they do", so that is now being applied.
@Nicholas_Shannon80 So you accused Diakonia of unethical behaviour and then expected him to not apply the strictest interpretation of forum policies to your content? I am hopeful that you did not actually call him a cheat and sandbagger, even though that was effectively what you did. While I may not agree with the result of Diakonia's action, I can sympathise with the process by which he arrived at that decision, so I am going to leave the unlocking to Support staff. Please reflect on @BlargDragon's observation in post #3
[Edit: posted after Diakonia's response earlier]
trysts wrote:
Diakonia wrote:
trysts wrote:
Why is it that political discussion went from tolerated to not tolerated in the main forums, David? For years it was tolerated until people made vulgar remarks, but now y'all are implying that politics by it's very nature is vulgar, aren't you?
This is why political/religious discussion has been clamped down on in the Open Forums. This forum post has imploded with insults, and false accusations after 12 posts. And once you add the annonymity of the internet into the mix, it train wrecks quickly.
But the insults were originated not from political discussion but from some bitter lonely guy on the Internet? That kind of person would be a jerk on any subject. So why would political discussion be seen as the cause?
trysts...you have been a member here long enough to know how political/religious discussions work here. Its hard enough to get a civil conversation on either in a real life face to face discussion. But as i said, throw in the annonymity of the internet, and it ends bad. This is why there is forum for this type of discussion.
david wrote:
trysts wrote:
Why is it that political discussion went from tolerated to not tolerated in the main forums, David? For years it was tolerated until people made vulgar remarks, but now y'all are implying that politics by it's very nature is vulgar, aren't you?
By its very nature, politics leads to debate which more often than not turns nasty. It's never been tolerated in the main forums and was tolerated in Off Topic because it wasn't clear whether the rules applicable to the main forums applied there too. The recent clarification from the site ownership was "Yes, they do", so that is now being applied.
@Nicholas_Shannon80 So you accused Diakonia of unethical behaviour and then expected him to not apply the strictest interpretation of forum policies to your content? I am hopeful that you did not actually call him a cheat and sandbagger, even though that was effectively what you did. While I may not agree with the result of Diakonia's action, I can sympathise with the process by which he arrived at that decision, so I am going to leave the unlocking to Support staff. Please reflect on @BlargDragon's observation in post #3
[Edit: posted after Diakonia's response earlier]
He did accuse me of sandbagging and i let it go. Even though he asked repeadetly if i was paid by chess.com to play "badly" My locking of his forum post had NOTHING to do with anything but enforcing the rules. If i am wrong then staff can unlock it and we can go on our merry way.
Are these topics considered either Political or Religious?
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/corbyn-a-fight-for-social-democracy?page=1
this one went on for over 3000+ posts...
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/brexit
Here's one that asks "is god real" and has 700+ posts
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/is-god-real2
Here's a topic about the number of gods that exist with 200+ posts
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/god-count-zero-one-or-many
My recent topic that mentions the common english idiom "biblical knowledge" was closed for being "religious" I would like to assert that the Mod "Diakonia" has purposefully targeted me in an effort of conspiracy against me because I recently accused him of purposefully playing weak games of blitz in order to welcome newcomers to the site.
My topic was closed literally within 5 minutes, but all these discussions have taken place for months in some cases.... Judge for yourselves. Here is my topic tell me the nature of it is more religious than the above topics if it is even religious at all!!!
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/what-if-you-saw-more-than-the-board