I am an alien...er...a human being. I have a consciousness. I can perceive pain and pleasure, and discern between the two (oftentimes).
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Apr 5, 2016
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Wow cool . Cm joins me on my very start of my journey . I intend to stay with this thread now till I find what I am or entirely give up . I've had enough moving around .
The first time this thread ran it reached over 7500 posts . I wonder how many this thread will generate .
The first time this thread ran it reached over 7500 posts . I wonder how many this thread will generate .
Apr 5, 2016
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That's an interesting start cm . Pain and pleasure . What's the difference ? Can pain be pleasurable and pleasure painful?
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Also I have a consciousness . That's like saying I have a coat . Are we not this consciousness ? Perhaps we tend to think things belong to us .
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We can perceive pleasure . Isn't that giving an experience a label cm ? That's a subjective judgement don't you think ?
So someone could say I just love this experience and you might think god I absolutely wouldn't want that to happen to me .
Also the human eye craves the spectacular . It may be that what we think is a 'bad' experience is actually enriching our lives through providing an interesting event .
If nothing else the rough defines the smooth .
So someone could say I just love this experience and you might think god I absolutely wouldn't want that to happen to me .
Also the human eye craves the spectacular . It may be that what we think is a 'bad' experience is actually enriching our lives through providing an interesting event .
If nothing else the rough defines the smooth .
Apr 5, 2016
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I'd like to include the moments where I observe and see things through observation . I don't want it to be obstructive to the conversation though so I'll limit it to one a day . I'll point out as I post it that its something I noticed while I observed my internal world .
We are humans. We are all the same, yet we are all different. We all have our own subjective opinions - what I like might be what someone else hates.
Yet there are objective facts that we cannot change.
Apr 5, 2016
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Right . That's interesting . I guess both things are interesting really . The differences and the similarities .
I think I'm extremely interested in both sides of the equation but it's the facts that fascinate me . The objective facts . I'm here to establish what they are .
I think I'm extremely interested in both sides of the equation but it's the facts that fascinate me . The objective facts . I'm here to establish what they are .
Apr 5, 2016
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This that we have tastes is a part of that . It's amazing don't you think that what you enjoy listening to I might deplore and vice versa . Also that we can completely disagree about foods being tasty .
I think when I hear a record review how can anyone say this is a great record ? One person may find it to be the best music they've ever heard and another not enjoy it at all .
I think when I hear a record review how can anyone say this is a great record ? One person may find it to be the best music they've ever heard and another not enjoy it at all .
Apr 5, 2016
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Ag it took me a little time to get where you are coming from but I'm confident that I got there in the end .
It reminds me a bit of one of the ideas I have . I imagine it's possible all there is nature and identity is but an illusion .
I know that's not the position you are taken but I'm just talking about the idea of rejecting the conventional view .
I suppose taking that theory to its final position we would think nothing is real at all .
That's a bit hard for us to conceive . But perhaps there is some truth in that . Certainly what we perceive as solid is anything but .
It reminds me a bit of one of the ideas I have . I imagine it's possible all there is nature and identity is but an illusion .
I know that's not the position you are taken but I'm just talking about the idea of rejecting the conventional view .
I suppose taking that theory to its final position we would think nothing is real at all .
That's a bit hard for us to conceive . But perhaps there is some truth in that . Certainly what we perceive as solid is anything but .
Apr 5, 2016
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There's something magical about this topic . No matter how tired I am I'm always happy to chat about this .
Also it seems to have such depth . It's a bit like how when you are mindful it's never boring . Always new things to observe .
Also it seems to have such depth . It's a bit like how when you are mindful it's never boring . Always new things to observe .
Apr 5, 2016
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AndroidGuru wrote:
These are different views on the subject. Of course mind or identity could just be chemical molecules as Hawking suggested. It would lead to total deterministic view though.
wow stunning ag thank you.
Apr 5, 2016
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interestingly though Hawking doesn't subscribe actually to a determistic universe. Or perhaps he does but not to absolute determinism.
He talked about on a quantum level we can't know the speed and mass of an object. So only on of the two could be determined.
But sure as far as life is concerned the suscribes to the theory there's no such thing as as free will.
Where does Hawking's view fit on that chart then Ag?
Apr 5, 2016
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Tri 17.
A human being . What's that mean ? An animal I guess . What does it mean to be an animal ? Is there anything that separate us from the other animals ?
Do we animals follow animal instincts or are we capable of more than that ?
Is the awareness of beauty purely just an observation made as an animal or is there something more to it ?
A human being . What's that mean ? An animal I guess . What does it mean to be an animal ? Is there anything that separate us from the other animals ?
Do we animals follow animal instincts or are we capable of more than that ?
Is the awareness of beauty purely just an observation made as an animal or is there something more to it ?
Apr 5, 2016
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Ag hawking says that god isn't necessary for the world to exist. He's purely stating the fact that not everything can be predicted or known . There's no absolute order . He states though that we are chemical and biological and as such subject to absolute causality . I think he references maxwell .
You can check out the fabulous book the theory of everything or just google hawking on free will .
You can check out the fabulous book the theory of everything or just google hawking on free will .
for every cell in us that is "us" there are about 10 cells, in us or on us, that are not us. So, are we even us?
Apr 5, 2016
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Regi 21. Also our cells change right ?
I guess most people would agree the personality changes over time so the person we are in our early life can be radically different than the person we are in our later life . Our beliefs change and our desires change .
I guess most people would agree the personality changes over time so the person we are in our early life can be radically different than the person we are in our later life . Our beliefs change and our desires change .
Apr 5, 2016
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Ag 22 . What does that even mean ?!
I think hawking is brilliant and I'd bet few scientists would disagree .
One think I like about him is he has a clear mind . He doesn't look for supernatural ideas but rather is happy to look for natural explanations .
I think hawking is brilliant and I'd bet few scientists would disagree .
One think I like about him is he has a clear mind . He doesn't look for supernatural ideas but rather is happy to look for natural explanations .
Anyone and everyone is welcome here . I'd like people to know that can be their natural selves with me and approach this topic from any angle they like .
All I ask is that if people want to demonstrate something then please include the link as I prefer to read the words of the contributors and I like to be able to follow the conversation .
I promise I'll stick with this thread this time . I'm tired of moving around and it's not fair to people to move . Also I regret losing people when I move .