what are we?

Hey Don. It's nice to have company . Welcome .

u r magic

We are magic !

Oh you witty one you

No I mean it Jenn. I believe that people inherently are love . That we are naturally loving . I believe we are all beautiful . That's why I never mind seeing people here no matter what they're saying . I know who they really are . We are all beautiful .

Don . Hello again . Wow your avatar is sexy . I presume that isn't you my friend ?

can we have more of you in this world pls

There are! That's all we are . Just look around you . Think of all the beautiful people that you know that would be mortified if they hurt anyone . We are beautiful .

I finally had a thread locked . Damn it ! All I wanted was to hear of experiences . It wasn't a religious debate . Still I'll take it on the chin . Censors . Trigger happy !

Perhaps next time you can name it "Gawd". ;)

Ha ha ! Love it !

I suppose I was just interested in belief . Trysts had made the point that she felt as free will was the experience we hold the burden of proof was on determinism / causality .

I guess I just thought well if people experienced God they could argue the same point .

Is trysts right ?

I mean is free will the experience we have ? I'm not sure that actually it is .

Perhaps we are just so conditioned to believe we are responsible that we assume that's the case .

Does anyone actually observe their experience to determine what's the truth about that .

Believe me I have watched my experience and I've found that it all just happens when you look closely .

Is trysts right? I think women are always right.

Hi Don . So the guy in your photo. What is he an actor or a boxer or what ?

No my name is Tom and my avatar is Jake .

What's up with that symbol you used ? Oo. What's that ?

Women are always right ?

We'll certainly women have the power . My wife is the God of my house .

I'm curious though if most people believe that experience tells them that have free will .

I guess we feel as though we try to get what we want . And maybe sometimes we don't allow ourselves to have what we want . Something like that maybe .

I find though when you watch carefully it's just that your want changed . I'll give you an example .

So we are at work . Someone says hey would you like some chocolate cake ? You think right come on let's have it . You want it . That want exists .

Then you remember you've just bought some new clothes and you want to be slim enough to wear them .

You might imagine you've shown free will to resist your original want but if you actually pay attention what happened was a new want replaced , overwrote the old want .

Both those wants just existed. You had no control of either of them .

You might think well what does it matter if we are getting what we want ?

That's fine but it's hardly free will is it?

If those wants existed independently of what we'd like to want .

A bit like that saying you can't make your heart feel something that it won't .

That's fun Don. I've told you I'm employed buddy !

Okay Don believe what you like .

Anyway a person's worth doesn't depend on their employment status . What matters is you care .