Why is it so hard for you to accept that evolution is fact?

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Fiercelyfighting
 Sobrukai wrote:
GodsCoelacanth wrote:

I quote from a resource:

"Everything that makes up your body requires genetic information. You’ve got hands and feet because your genes code for it. The same is true for any creature—dogs, camels, you name it.

Of course

The genetic information in humans varies from the information in animals, plants, and so on. Seems obvious, so why point it out? Because for animal kind A to somehow “presto-change-o” into animal kind B, the information’s got to change. A fish doesn’t just morph into an amphibian without something changing in the genes. It would have to gain some new information.

The information does change, either from natural selection, mutations, genetic drift, genetic flow, or separation. Let's discuss the easiest one in my opinion, natural selection. Say you have a group of early primates, and one primate has longer limbs and a sharper mind. That primate is going to experience greater reproductive success than it's companions, and therefore have on average a higher chance to survive to the point of reproduction. When that primate reproduces it passes down its traits and genes through his sperm/her egg. The baby primate will now have a chance to inherit the genes of the smarter and faster primate. These more advanced primates will on average survive longer and reproduce more, so over many generations they will start to make up more and more of the primate proplation, until the primate population is completely made up of what was a singular mutation. Do this over again and again and boom! It's a human now!

then why are there still bugs and fish and so many other things? That kinda seems dumb because you just stated that they would all die out.

Here’s the clincher: when we use operational science—the kind involving observable, repeatable, testable results—we have never observed, repeated, or been able to test animal kind A turning into animal kind B—at all. Sure, there’s some genetic “do-si-do” going on through mutations and gene drift, but there’s no way fish are going to sprout hair and opposable thumbs. Just in case you think by “no way” we mean there’s still a chance, there’s not—none, zilch, nada, not going to happen. What if we add billions of years and cool artistic renderings? Still no.

This is plain dumb. We have seen evolution appear before our very own eyes with bacterial strains. You take a population of bacteria with only a few that are immune to a certain antibiotic. All will die expect those that are immune, and they will make up the new population. Fish don't sprout hair and thumbs, we seperated from a common ancestor millions of years ago. Evolution does happen over millions of years, fossils are blatant proof.

We have seen genetic mutations. That is true. Have we seen any organism mutate near close enough to be considered a different species in a repeatable, provable way? No

That first point is devastating enough. But here’s how evolution gets buried even more.

It was more stupid than devastating 

You’ve probably heard news accounts about how life could have started on earth “gazillions” of years ago in volcanoes, slush pools, crystals, rocks, you name it. Maybe you’ve heard something about “artificial” life or test-tube life or rotten-food-in-the-refrigerator life (okay, maybe not the last one).

It was more of a chemical soup but ok.

Those are interesting speculations, but they overlook one important rule in biology: life doesn’t, cannot, and will never come from non-life. Life comes from life. Always. That’s the law—the Law of Biogenesis, to be exact.

Nope, life came from the primordial soup, and can and has been recreated.
Examples please?

All these failed experiments, like the Miller-Urey experiment, really show us just how much intelligence is required for life to begin in the first place. (That is, way smarter than us.)

Nope, you probably have no idea what you are talking about. The Miller-Urey proved that an electrical current could spark basic life is the right condition, not that here was a higher intelligence. It also wasn't a failed experiment. 

I don’t know too much about that but how would they know what the primordial soup was made of, its proportions, or what other elements would have present?

And Yet We’re Here
So, if evolution can’t explain how humans came to be (or any other living thing, for that matter), what can? The Bible. Yep, God’s Word.

The Bible provides an eyewitness account of how the universe and all life came to be. There’s no speculation or strange interpretation needed. You can just read how God created everything in six days a few thousand years ago. Simple. Factual."

This is all easily disproved by science. The Earth is not 6 thousand years old nor did god create all of these species. Get out of your indoctrinated Christian homeschooling and learn some real science.

Fiercelyfighting
Sobrukai wrote:
GodsCoelacanth wrote:
Zesty-bananas wrote:
Sobrukai wrote:
Chlckenz wrote:
To #375

From the article

"Evidence from fossils. Based on myriad similarities and differences between living species, evolutionary biology makes predictions about the features of ancestral forms. For example, numerous features indicate that birds are derived from reptilian ancestors. By contrast, these data reject the possibility that birds were derived from other groups, such as flying insects. Scientists have discovered fossil birds with feathers and legs like modern birds, but which also have teeth, clawed digits on their forelimbs, and a tailbone like their reptilian ancestors. Fossils are especially important evidence for evolution because, with little effort, each of us can use our eyes and minds to observe and interpret the dinosaur and other ancient fossils in public museums."

Firstly, that is not an example. Secondly, non of that is solid fact for evolution. The bird dinosaurs could have been bird dinosaurs and created as bird dinosaurs. Why would we deny that could happen because the look slightly like birds and slightly like normal dinosaurs?

I'm waiting for how the insects got in!

They evolved from crustaceans 400 millions years ago.

You still didn’t address my arguments

Georgethegrate
Ok imma go. I may be back in an hour or two. Maybe not. Cyall
Sobrukai
Fiercelyfighting wrote:
 Sobrukai wrote:
GodsCoelacanth wrote:

I quote from a resource:

"Everything that makes up your body requires genetic information. You’ve got hands and feet because your genes code for it. The same is true for any creature—dogs, camels, you name it.

Of course

The genetic information in humans varies from the information in animals, plants, and so on. Seems obvious, so why point it out? Because for animal kind A to somehow “presto-change-o” into animal kind B, the information’s got to change. A fish doesn’t just morph into an amphibian without something changing in the genes. It would have to gain some new information.

The information does change, either from natural selection, mutations, genetic drift, genetic flow, or separation. Let's discuss the easiest one in my opinion, natural selection. Say you have a group of early primates, and one primate has longer limbs and a sharper mind. That primate is going to experience greater reproductive success than it's companions, and therefore have on average a higher chance to survive to the point of reproduction. When that primate reproduces it passes down its traits and genes through his sperm/her egg. The baby primate will now have a chance to inherit the genes of the smarter and faster primate. These more advanced primates will on average survive longer and reproduce more, so over many generations they will start to make up more and more of the primate proplation, until the primate population is completely made up of what was a singular mutation. Do this over again and again and boom! It's a human now!

then why are there still bugs and fish and so many other things? That kinda seems dumb because you just stated that they would all die out.

Here’s the clincher: when we use operational science—the kind involving observable, repeatable, testable results—we have never observed, repeated, or been able to test animal kind A turning into animal kind B—at all. Sure, there’s some genetic “do-si-do” going on through mutations and gene drift, but there’s no way fish are going to sprout hair and opposable thumbs. Just in case you think by “no way” we mean there’s still a chance, there’s not—none, zilch, nada, not going to happen. What if we add billions of years and cool artistic renderings? Still no.

This is plain dumb. We have seen evolution appear before our very own eyes with bacterial strains. You take a population of bacteria with only a few that are immune to a certain antibiotic. All will die expect those that are immune, and they will make up the new population. Fish don't sprout hair and thumbs, we seperated from a common ancestor millions of years ago. Evolution does happen over millions of years, fossils are blatant proof.

We have seen genetic mutations. That is true. Have we seen any organism mutate near close enough to be considered a different species in a repeatable, provable way? No

That first point is devastating enough. But here’s how evolution gets buried even more.

It was more stupid than devastating 

You’ve probably heard news accounts about how life could have started on earth “gazillions” of years ago in volcanoes, slush pools, crystals, rocks, you name it. Maybe you’ve heard something about “artificial” life or test-tube life or rotten-food-in-the-refrigerator life (okay, maybe not the last one).

It was more of a chemical soup but ok.

Those are interesting speculations, but they overlook one important rule in biology: life doesn’t, cannot, and will never come from non-life. Life comes from life. Always. That’s the law—the Law of Biogenesis, to be exact.

Nope, life came from the primordial soup, and can and has been recreated.
Examples please?

All these failed experiments, like the Miller-Urey experiment, really show us just how much intelligence is required for life to begin in the first place. (That is, way smarter than us.)

Nope, you probably have no idea what you are talking about. The Miller-Urey proved that an electrical current could spark basic life is the right condition, not that here was a higher intelligence. It also wasn't a failed experiment. 

I don’t know too much about that but how would they know what the primordial soup was made of, its proportions, or what other elements would have present?

And Yet We’re Here
So, if evolution can’t explain how humans came to be (or any other living thing, for that matter), what can? The Bible. Yep, God’s Word.

The Bible provides an eyewitness account of how the universe and all life came to be. There’s no speculation or strange interpretation needed. You can just read how God created everything in six days a few thousand years ago. Simple. Factual."

This is all easily disproved by science. The Earth is not 6 thousand years old nor did god create all of these species. Get out of your indoctrinated Christian homeschooling and learn some real science.

1. I never stated they would all die out, I just stated that in a separated instance of a population evolution could occur and overtime completely change the genetic makeup of said population. Why would there not be bugs and fish?

2. It takes a long time for something to evolve, so it's generally not observable on a human time scale. However we don't need to see something to be able to prove it happened. For example, take the American revolution. Has a sign;e living persona on this planet seen the American revolution with their own eyes? Of course not! None of us were alive. But do we know the American Revolution happen? Yes we do! Historians can prove the american revolutions by using historical documents from that time period. Fossils are the historical documents for evolution. They provide scientists with genotypic and phenotypic information that can be used to draw the past of evolution, the same way historians use historical documents to paint a picture of the past.

3. What do you mean by examples? Look that the Miller-Urey experiment.

4. I actually don't know how, so I'm doing some reading on that. Here's an article about it. https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/tracing-lifes-origins-with-early-earth-chemistry/

Lambern34bits

CAN YALL GUYS STUP UP

DiogenesDue
Fiercelyfighting wrote:

Sorry, i switched acc’s so that i can quote

...he said, violating the ToS.

WTFrickenA
GodsCoelacanth wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
LordHunkyhair3 wrote:

#121 well I agree with Godscoelcanth so probably not joking

Is it about religion? If so, we probably better hadn't talk about it. But how could you? I thought you were a person of discretion and taste. How could you possibly agree with a pseudo-intellectual? I shall turn into Violet Elizabeth Bott and skweam and skweam until I am thick.

Only a person afraid of religion would say religion has nothing to do with science.

The Actual TRUE Science IS that OF Christ.👍😛

WTFrickenA

Lol 😂 basically scientists are the True conspiracy theorists

Fiercelyfighting
DiogenesDue wrote:
Fiercelyfighting wrote:

Sorry, i switched acc’s so that i can quote

...he said, violating the ToS.

It is? I didnt know that and just looked and couldn’t find it

Fiercelyfighting

In the tos. It says only one person per acc but i dont see anything against using multiple accounts

Lambern34bits

Fiercelyfighting
Sobrukai wrote:
Fiercelyfighting wrote:
 Sobrukai wrote:
GodsCoelacanth wrote:

I quote from a resource:

"Everything that makes up your body requires genetic information. You’ve got hands and feet because your genes code for it. The same is true for any creature—dogs, camels, you name it.

Of course

The genetic information in humans varies from the information in animals, plants, and so on. Seems obvious, so why point it out? Because for animal kind A to somehow “presto-change-o” into animal kind B, the information’s got to change. A fish doesn’t just morph into an amphibian without something changing in the genes. It would have to gain some new information.

The information does change, either from natural selection, mutations, genetic drift, genetic flow, or separation. Let's discuss the easiest one in my opinion, natural selection. Say you have a group of early primates, and one primate has longer limbs and a sharper mind. That primate is going to experience greater reproductive success than it's companions, and therefore have on average a higher chance to survive to the point of reproduction. When that primate reproduces it passes down its traits and genes through his sperm/her egg. The baby primate will now have a chance to inherit the genes of the smarter and faster primate. These more advanced primates will on average survive longer and reproduce more, so over many generations they will start to make up more and more of the primate proplation, until the primate population is completely made up of what was a singular mutation. Do this over again and again and boom! It's a human now!

then why are there still bugs and fish and so many other things? That kinda seems dumb because you just stated that they would all die out.

Here’s the clincher: when we use operational science—the kind involving observable, repeatable, testable results—we have never observed, repeated, or been able to test animal kind A turning into animal kind B—at all. Sure, there’s some genetic “do-si-do” going on through mutations and gene drift, but there’s no way fish are going to sprout hair and opposable thumbs. Just in case you think by “no way” we mean there’s still a chance, there’s not—none, zilch, nada, not going to happen. What if we add billions of years and cool artistic renderings? Still no.

This is plain dumb. We have seen evolution appear before our very own eyes with bacterial strains. You take a population of bacteria with only a few that are immune to a certain antibiotic. All will die expect those that are immune, and they will make up the new population. Fish don't sprout hair and thumbs, we seperated from a common ancestor millions of years ago. Evolution does happen over millions of years, fossils are blatant proof.

We have seen genetic mutations. That is true. Have we seen any organism mutate near close enough to be considered a different species in a repeatable, provable way? No

That first point is devastating enough. But here’s how evolution gets buried even more.

It was more stupid than devastating 

You’ve probably heard news accounts about how life could have started on earth “gazillions” of years ago in volcanoes, slush pools, crystals, rocks, you name it. Maybe you’ve heard something about “artificial” life or test-tube life or rotten-food-in-the-refrigerator life (okay, maybe not the last one).

It was more of a chemical soup but ok.

Those are interesting speculations, but they overlook one important rule in biology: life doesn’t, cannot, and will never come from non-life. Life comes from life. Always. That’s the law—the Law of Biogenesis, to be exact.

Nope, life came from the primordial soup, and can and has been recreated.
Examples please?

All these failed experiments, like the Miller-Urey experiment, really show us just how much intelligence is required for life to begin in the first place. (That is, way smarter than us.)

Nope, you probably have no idea what you are talking about. The Miller-Urey proved that an electrical current could spark basic life is the right condition, not that here was a higher intelligence. It also wasn't a failed experiment. 

I don’t know too much about that but how would they know what the primordial soup was made of, its proportions, or what other elements would have present?

And Yet We’re Here
So, if evolution can’t explain how humans came to be (or any other living thing, for that matter), what can? The Bible. Yep, God’s Word.

The Bible provides an eyewitness account of how the universe and all life came to be. There’s no speculation or strange interpretation needed. You can just read how God created everything in six days a few thousand years ago. Simple. Factual."

This is all easily disproved by science. The Earth is not 6 thousand years old nor did god create all of these species. Get out of your indoctrinated Christian homeschooling and learn some real science.

1. I never stated they would all die out, I just stated that in a separated instance of a population evolution could occur and overtime completely change the genetic makeup of said population. Why would there not be bugs and fish?

2. It takes a long time for something to evolve, so it's generally not observable on a human time scale. However we don't need to see something to be able to prove it happened. For example, take the American revolution. Has a sign;e living persona on this planet seen the American revolution with their own eyes? Of course not! None of us were alive. But do we know the American Revolution happen? Yes we do! Historians can prove the american revolutions by using historical documents from that time period. Fossils are the historical documents for evolution. They provide scientists with genotypic and phenotypic information that can be used to draw the past of evolution, the same way historians use historical documents to paint a picture of the past.

3. What do you mean by examples? Look that the Miller-Urey experiment.

4. I actually don't know how, so I'm doing some reading on that. Here's an article about it. https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/tracing-lifes-origins-with-early-earth-chemistry/

You kinda did say they would die out. Your example, bacteria gaining immunity to pesticides, shows this. You even said so. You, in your example of the apes that the stronger faster ones reproduce ore and thus the others, less. Thus the others would usually go extinct and if you think about it, the chances that this many animals survived when a better version of each was created seems extremely unlikely. I need to go again so i can’t answer your other points rn

Lambern34bits

SHUT UP

WTFrickenA

dang... your mad ITCHING to be lmao banned or muted huh 😂

Lambern34bits
WTFrickenA wrote:

dang... your mad ITCHING to be lmao banned or muted huh 😂

um actacly im doing this becuase i keep getting messages from here

WTFrickenA

just unfollow.. at the bottom right corner of the Post button is a box to click to unfollow

Lambern34bits
WTFrickenA wrote:

just unfollow.. at the bottom right corner of the Post button is a box to click to unfollow

oh

APersonWhoYoyos
I don’t even really deny evolution I just deny the premise that it happened naturally or by pure chance
APersonWhoYoyos
Also, to the people who are arguing based off of the creationist perspective that Genesis is literal and the earth was created in literally 7 days, I would be very careful about taking Genesis or Revelation literally. Because they were just human interpretations of events with Gods involvement, there is a reasonable chance that they didn’t understand the events perfectly with their limited human knowledge. Also, the actually factual scientific community does have evidence that the earth was not created in 7 human days, and unlike the case for evolution, most of the evidence is based on logic rather than speculation and imagination
hapless_fool
So a fair question would be this: would you dismiss a corpus of scientific work if it appeared to contradict Scriptures?
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