Playing for a draw deliberately & being rewarded

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Why is it that the people who deliberately play repeat moves in order to gain a draw are rewarded for their actions?

Why is the player in a strong position to win the game being penalised by this rule?

As a suggestion, maybe implement a warning screen for the player after two repeat moves?

I assume this is totally possible given the standard of technology available.
It should be able to detect the state of play in-game and recognise the repeated move tactic by the losing player.
Thus, showing the warning.

The warning could state ‘should you play the same move again, you shall forfeit the game’ and consequently, not rewarded with points.

Thanks for reading.
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Because if you are in a winning position, you have to watch out- your opponent doesn’t want to lose and if they can force a draw they will, it’s the best move
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That’s precisely why I want to see that changed
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The three repetition rule makes it so that if you’re in a position where do progress can be made- you’ve reached the same position thrice, that ain’t progress- it ends the game as a draw, because if it continues as it is it will go on endlessly. As for forcing a 3 move, if it didn’t end the game your opponent could just keep checking back and forth ad infinitum.
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I don’t think I’m explaining it well, someone back me up pls
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I fully understand why the rule is there.
It’s the outcome I do not agree with.

My point is if you’re in a strong position, possibly one or two moves away from checkmate and winning the game, the opponent has the option to deliberately play repeat moves for a draw.

The point is then shared.
Why, How is this fair on the player in a strong position?
I believe it’s not fair.

My suggestion is that on the second repetition, a pop up warning should be displayed stating you are in danger of forfeiting the game should the same move be played again.

I hope this helps your understanding of my post 👍
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If you’re in a strong position and blunder a queen, should you still get the win? No.
If you blunder a repetition, it’s the same thing.
Trust me, chess is never going to do away with the rule.
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Hillsy6 wrote:
My point is if you’re in a strong position, possibly one or two moves away from checkmate and winning the game, the opponent has the option to deliberately play repeat moves for a draw.

I think you misunderstand the rule.

If you are one or two moves away from checkmate, just checkmate the opponent and don't repeat. Your opponent can do whatever, it doesn't matter.

And if your opponent can force the repetition, you aren't in a winning position at all.

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Hillsy6 wrote:
That’s precisely why I want to see that changed

That's not how chess works. If you are about to win material by force or mate my king in a few moves, and I have a way to check your king to eternity but cannot mate you, you better believe I will continuous check your king to save my own king.

Don't like it? Play another game! Maybe Tic-Tac-Toe is more along your level!

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Hillsy6 wrote:
I fully understand why the rule is there.
It’s the outcome I do not agree with.
My point is if you’re in a strong position, possibly one or two moves away from checkmate and winning the game, the opponent has the option to deliberately play repeat moves for a draw.
The point is then shared.
Why, How is this fair on the player in a strong position?
I believe it’s not fair.
My suggestion is that on the second repetition, a pop up warning should be displayed stating you are in danger of forfeiting the game should the same move be played again.
I hope this helps your understanding of my post 👍

How is it not fair???? Chess is not a one way street. You must mate my king WHILE PROTECTING YOUR OWN! The outcome can be nothing but a draw!

Use your brain and some logic for once.

White is threatening to mate Black's King, BUT WHITE NEEDS IT TO BE HIS MOVE TO DO THAT AND IT IS CURRENT BLACK TO MOVE!

Black sees there is no way to stop mate if he gives White another chance to move, so he must check the White King. In doing so, White must get out of check. By checking him indefinitely, WHITE CANNOT MATE BLACK AND BLACK CANNOT MATE WHITE, SO THERE IS NO CHOICE BUT FOR IT TO BE A DRAW! COMMON FREAKING SENSE!

Black has absolutely no way to directly save his own king, but if he never let's White move anything but his King with Qe1-h4-e1-h4-e1-etc, THEN WHITE CANNOT MATE THE BLACK KING AND WHITE THEREFORE DOES NOT WIN! PLAIN AND FREAKING SIMPLE! AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, PLAY TIC-TAC-TOE INSTEAD!

People that whine about this BS are people that lack the skill and they beg for mercy - it is just as stupid as those that say stalemate should be a win

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Hillsy6 wrote:
I fully understand why the rule is there.
It’s the outcome I do not agree with.
My point is if you’re in a strong position, possibly one or two moves away from checkmate and winning the game, the opponent has the option to deliberately play repeat moves for a draw.
The point is then shared.
Why, How is this fair on the player in a strong position?
I believe it’s not fair.
My suggestion is that on the second repetition, a pop up warning should be displayed stating you are in danger of forfeiting the game should the same move be played again.
I hope this helps your understanding of my post 👍

And also, why should specifically I forfeiting the game for repeating moves when BOTH PLAYERS are repeating moves. It does not matter that yours are forced, you are just as guilty at repeating as I am if your dumb repeat and forfeiting rule were put into play, and the moment you say "But your reason for repeating is different than mine" is the moment your argument becomes completely invalid as rules must be the same for everyone. The moment you say one side's repeat is forced while the other's is not is the moment stupidity is proven!

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What about learning the rules of the game before playing? It does not sound like a ridiculous idea, does it?

https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012023

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@pfren,

I agree, also just use your mind, count the amount of times you get into a repeat position. OTB your opponent has to claim threefold, so watch out for it if you are losing in an in-person tournament.

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Gather your emotions people. Jeez.

Did not realise this would trigger such abuse as has been stated for all to see, I’m stupid, apparently!
Thanks, thanks a lot 😊

So tell me this, have you been in a game where the opponent plays for a draw?

You must have, right? You’re soo experienced!!

Did it annoy you?

Did it frustrate you?

I was annoyed and frustrated too.
So we’ve been in the same boat before, right?

Is the rule there? Yes
Do I have to like it? No
Will it change? No
Will I keep getting annoyed when it happens? Yes
Will I continue to play chess? Hell yes.

Have a lovely day guys


Avatar of magipi
Hillsy6 wrote:
Did it annoy you?
Did it frustrate you?

I'm still not sure I understand what you're talking about.

If I have a winning position and let the opponent get away with a draw, I am annoyed with myself. I certainly don't start complaining about chess rules.

Avatar of smallpawninabigworld

If your opposition can force a draw, then you're not winning. Simple as that.

Avatar of Fetoxo
#15 that's the point. If I let a win slip away because of a chess rule, I will be frustrated that I am dumb, and I will clearly not blame the chess rules.
Avatar of ThrillerFan
Hillsy6 wrote:
Gather your emotions people. Jeez.
Did not realise this would trigger such abuse as has been stated for all to see, I’m stupid, apparently!
Thanks, thanks a lot 😊
So tell me this, have you been in a game where the opponent plays for a draw?
You must have, right? You’re soo experienced!!
Did it annoy you?
Did it frustrate you?
I was annoyed and frustrated too.
So we’ve been in the same boat before, right?
Is the rule there? Yes
Do I have to like it? No
Will it change? No
Will I keep getting annoyed when it happens? Yes
Will I continue to play chess? Hell yes.
Have a lovely day guys

If they are playing for a draw, they are playing for a draw. That is precise what Black should be playing for on move one! Black shouldn't be even REMOTELY thinking about trying to win until he has FULLY equalized, and only then can Black shift gears and play to win.

It's not annoying - it's part of the game. You need to get your king sheltered. Preventing mate is insufficient. You need to prevent check so that you are able to make that final move for mate.

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I don't really understand what you (hillsy6) want to do. If a player Can force a draw, then the position is equal. If not and if the other player Can avoid it, I feel this player should be focused on the game and know the rules. In a real match, nobody would remind you that playing the same move again would be a draw. Also, this rule is made for 1. If the position is not revolving, 2.

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And 2. To avoid people stalling time playing the same move over and over in a winning position but with less time