Eliminate the Abort option

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trigs

obviously we just need an "I'm an idiot and/or a jerk" option that all the idiots/jerks can check off. then the rest of the good people can simply avoid them.

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IOliveira
El_Senior wrote:
II-Oliveira wrote:
El_Senior wrote:
II-Oliveira wrote:

The four moves rule avoids the rating inflation that could happen with guys that sudenly win a lot of games by early timeouts.


So, now my opponent can time out and he wins? 

I thought I was the winner in those cases!


You missed what I said.

I was talking about people that win too much games when the oponents time out a lot.


I didn't miss it, my response was intended to be sarcastic. Don't you lose when you run out of time?

Seems to me that those who timeout SHOULD lose and the player who did not time out is the winner(if sufficient material is present of course).

That's how it should be unless maybe you're proposing a new chess rule (we have lots of threads like that).

I'm soooooooooooooo confused!


When someone times out on the first move they still lose the game. Just the rating doesn't change.

There are lot of people here and everyday several of them sudenly stop playing. This may happen because they lost the interest or even because they died, whatever.

Somitimes in a tournament there is a higher rated one that starts to timeout all the games, giving people a great rating increment. Then the second game with that person starts automaticaly, and they time out on move one. Chess.com doesn't let this one move game to inflate even more the rating of the lucky oponent, but the victory is awarded to him, anyway.

JazzTChess

Too complicated.  If you start a game it should count.  If you start a game and then decide not to play, that is fine, but live with the consequences.

TheGrobe

If the game your start is the game you intended to start (i.e. you didn't misclick on a seek), and if your opponent is actually playing that game (as opposed to not making his first move)....

The abort option is necessary, there's really no way around it.  If the issue is abuse, then address the abuse -- there's no need to cut of our noses to spite our faces here.

musicalhair

I'm still very much liking El_Senior's "add a sanity check dialog box (are you sure you want this pairing?)" very much.  I also like my idea of changing it to a "chicken out" dialog box if it is at like move 4.  I might even use it at like move four because then I'd feel honest about it instead of aborting an on-going game.

TheGrobe

I believe that the text on the "Resign" button actually says "Abort" until after the fourth move.

I do agree that you should only be able to abort prior to making your first move -- once you've moved, I think that the intent to play has been made clear and all records and statistics should be udpated accordingly should you leave the game.

TheGrobe

I think that with a sanity check upon accepting challenges (along with a fix for any bugs of the nature described above) you could probably limit the abort button to only becoming available after your opponent hasn't made their first move in some pre-determined amount of time.

AndTheLittleOneSaid
El_Senior wrote:

Please re-read the entire thread. I understand there is a bug with the pairings but that's the only legit reason to abort-if you get the wrong pairing. Color selection preference or ratings snobbery are not excellent reasons to abort and in fact would be quite rude and unsportsmanlike.

Regarding choice if you abort MY game, I am powerless to stop you. I do not have a "choice" to not be aborted. 

One more thing? Where in the rules of chess does an opponent have the right to abort a game? "Mr Tournament director, I don't like to play people rated more than 200 points lower than me. I want to abort this pairing." Yeah right. 


So what are you going to do when I accept your seek and never move?

TheGrobe

What's wrong with a rule stating that as soon as you've moved (and, if you're white, your opponent has responded) you're comitted?  Four moves seems unncessesarily lax and arbitrary.

kevinkin

agree ... folks just need to pay attention to their clicks, filters and make sure they have the time to focus on the game once committed. 

chompman2

Well, I don't like the abort option.  If you want to play a game, just play it!!  What next?  If the player is dark haired, do some people think, I'm not playing him/her.  I only want to play with fair haired Canadians called Tom or Chris.  Some people should get a life, so there.

okayokay

i don't think thats a good idea. what if your opponent actually has lag?

AndTheLittleOneSaid
chompman2 wrote:

Well, I don't like the abort option.  If you want to play a game, just play it!!  What next?  If the player is dark haired, do some people think, I'm not playing him/her.  I only want to play with fair haired Canadians called Tom or Chris.  Some people should get a life, so there.


What a fantastic point. Bravo.

meatonthetable

Is this 4 move abort still in effect even after you become a member...if so they got to fix that...its hard to really complain to much when the site is free!!

TheGrobe
El_Senior wrote:
okayokay wrote:

i don't think thats a good idea. what if your opponent actually has lag?


Actual lag could be totally innocent but could also include lag caused by someone intentionally manipulating lag to cheat (obtain an advantage on the clock). 

Creating a filter to block players with certain lag stats (at time of pairing) would be worthless, a placebo since lag cheating most likely would manifest towards the end of the time control or if a player is in a complicated/losing position. 


I don't really buy that lag cheating actually occurs here.  I believe that it's technologically possible (I've actually done enough research to prove this out), but would be so difficult to accomplish that it's practially improbable.

Setting that aside, though, you could probably capture and report on lag on more than just a point in time basis, giving a historical view that would work for such a filter.

AndTheLittleOneSaid

If only threads had an abort button Wink

snoooze

I think it should dissapear once you make a move. the amount of bullet games where on move 2 they abort as I had won a pawn or a piece is stupid.

i.e. 1.e4 d5 2.Nf3 (premove) as I am playing dxe4 they realise and abort quickly realising their postion is a bit more horrible....

zingrat

wow! what a heated argument. well, here is my input. i agree that people misuse that butten, but sometimes you need it, like if you have to leave the computer, or made a mistake pushing/clicking a wrong butten

Phelon

Abort is an amazing option and I would hate to get rid of it. Why would you be so mad if someone aborted? It's not like you had anything significant invested in that game in the first couple of moves.

DrSpudnik

Every game a wanted game! Surprised