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erik

1. BACKGROUND: There are many themes to choose from (www.chess.com/settings/themes), or you can add your own background. We also have a Chrome Browser Extension for even more options. 

2. PERFORMANCE. I agree this is an issue for some. And it's not about ISP, it's actually about your computer's ability to process JavaScript (which is about the CPU). Also, some browsers are much faster than others. The time your page spends loading is likely NOT your network or our backend servers, but the browser interpreting the page and javascript it receives. Safari has the best JavaScript engine. Chrome is second best. Then maybe Microsoft Edge! Firefox has unfortunately come in last place :/ Anyway, we are working to optimize this and V2 will stay until old computers can handle V3 better!

3. ICONIFICATION. I can understand your frustration. It happens to me every time I get a new remote control too!! Argggghhh! Hopefully it won't take too long. Every single icon also has a tooltip that appears when you hover. And, new Chess.com is available in over 40 languages (old site is 8). 

4. SCROLLING. I think you are referring to your /home page. I can understand that. We are working on a new home for you. But as for scrolling on the rest of the site... the internet has voted and all sites use scrolling for displaying more content. YouTube, BBC, Mashable, Facebook... I mean, it's just where the internet went and there are good reasons why, though I can understand some people don't like it as much.

Again, I actually LOVE seeing your feedback. It's making us work harder to please you! 

 

gambit-man
deepdaleduck wrote:

Dear Chess.com.

Do you plan to actually listen to what all these angry people are saying, or are we just given this forum to vent our spleen on before we learn to accept your greater wisdom about what we should put up with?

i expressed many of the same opinions more than a year ago... i was told then it was too late to make such drastic changes, so i guess it must also be too late now.

Such commercial decisions are rarely changed based on the public opinion, usually only when people vote with their feet do commerce listen...

mcris

So how come Java is gone and Java-script is hip?

Martin_Stahl

Java wasn't used much on v2 front-endanyaway. It still is used on the back-end as far as I'm aware.

 

Javascript, no relation to Java wink.png, is heavily used on almost every site, including v2.

gambit-man
erik wrote:

2. PERFORMANCE. I agree this is an issue for some. And it's not about ISP, it's actually about your computer's ability to process JavaScript (which is about the CPU). Also, some browsers are much faster than others. 

 

I'm pretty sure this is not the issue Erik, i have an 8-core PC and 120 mbps line, v3 takes 3-4 times longer to load a page than v2. It takes so long that i imagine there are some full res pictures on there, but there aren't.

I'll say this again even though it probably won't make any difference... it's not just a dislike for v3, it does actually cause genuine difficulty due to all the softening... more sharpness and high-contrast so that things can be seen at a glance rather than straining eyes trying to figure what's what and even read simple text...

chungle

erik:

"But as for scrolling on the rest of the site... the internet has voted and all sites use scrolling for displaying more content. YouTube, BBC, Mashable, Facebook... I mean, it's just where the internet went and there are good reasons why, though I can understand some people don't like it as much."


The problem is you're conflating content that is presented with content we participate in creating.  If the front page scrolls, fine.  It's news, we accept that. However, scolling in the forums and jaming all messages together isn't conducive to user participation.

Endless scrolling doesn't belong in the messaging system.  Bolt on a proper forum and get rid of the message streams.

Spacebux

Yes... this ↑↑↑↑.

Performance: When I flip from V2 to V3 and then back to V2, you see a noticeable difference in load times.  V3 is just simply trying to load 5-6x more data per page.  Perhaps Mozilla is not optimal, but I prefer Mozilla for a host of reasons to Chrome and other browsers.  (I have Chrome, Opera, Torch, & Firefox loaded) 

B/G: I will attempt to load a background one of these days in to V3 to see if I can generate something more palatable to my eyes.

Scrolling: ..at least in V2 you have stops/breaks in pagination.  V3 tends to scroll forever.  Be it the home page or messages or a few other pages, V3 is an abyss in places.

Martin_Stahl

I just did a comparison on this page, and it appears v2 took longer to load on Firefox. Not sure if that is because of v2 no longer being default or what.

Or I'm misreading this performance chart ...

chungle
Spacebux wrote:

 V3 is an abyss in places.

To murder Nietzsche: Battle not with monstrous code, lest ye become enamoured of it, and if you gaze into V3, V3 gazes also into you.

Spacebux
chungle wrote:
Spacebux wrote:

 V3 is an abyss in places.

To murder Nietzsche: Battle not with monstrous code, lest ye become enamoured of it, and if you gaze into V3, V3 gazes also into you.

 

Thank you for that rather morbid & bleak image as I head in to the lunch hour, Chungle.

 

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Still having issues with typing characters in v3 - the echo-time of the character typed is ... annoying.  Maybe my characters are bouncing in-&-out of the edges of the abyss? 

Spacebux

What is this mystery black dot?

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It only appears when scrolling down... ⇣⇣

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I'm worried now that the Abyss is looking back at me, as Chungle foretold...   Mystery icons abound! 

xming
Martin_Stahl wrote:

erik has posted about that before. There are some upgrades to the servers that can't happen until v2 code is gone.

Solution to that: copy and paste.

aln67

"4. SCROLLING. I think you are referring to your /home page. I can understand that. We are working on a new home for you. But as for scrolling on the rest of the site... the internet has voted and all sites use scrolling for displaying more content. YouTube, BBC, Mashable, Facebook... I mean, it's just where the internet went and there are good reasons why"

Which reasons, according to you ? Having the same site setting for desk and mobile is a bad idea IMHO, a mistake that Microsoft had made before you, and they have been forced to go back somewhat.


Martin_Stahl
xming wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

erik has posted about that before. There are some upgrades to the servers that can't happen until v2 code is gone.

Solution to that: copy and paste.

 

How does that help?

janeAusten123
I definitely prefer the old version. The biggest drawback to the new version is the black background? White letters against black and chessboards against black create eye strain. There's no way around it. The original site is user friendly, uncluttered, easy on the eyes and easy to maneuver. Do everyone a favour, get creative and lose the black background. It's a real obstacle.
xming
Martin_Stahl wrote:

3, some people like it, some don't.  Icons can be more universal, reducing the need for translations. Not saying the current icons are the most universal but I don't think they are hard to learn.

 

Have you seen the street sign where a person is portrayed as reading a book and there is an arrow pointing either left or right?  It means there is a library nearby but the sign is for people who can't read otherwise the sign would say "library".

xming
Martin_Stahl wrote:
xming wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

erik has posted about that before. There are some upgrades to the servers that can't happen until v2 code is gone.

Solution to that: copy and paste.

 

How does that help?

Maybe i misunderstood but I thought the argument was referring to V3 being linked to V2 and that's why they both can't be kept.  If there were 2 separate entities, wouldn't that solve the problem?

Winter_Biking

I also vote against scrolling for large contents. Or at least give us an option between scrolling or pages 1-2-3-11-last...

The stats seems better.

Glad you put the game title back in the games, so we can at least see which games are tournament or team games.

Loading goes very slow when jumping into a game in Online chess. V2 is much better at that point. 

I like that I can click the alerts or messages button on the top to see it and scroll it. If I have many unread, in v2 I have to scroll  way down to see things under the alerts, so here is v3 an improvement.

 

RickRenegade
erik wrote:

V2 isn't going away until people are happy with V3. Now, if you have absolutely made up your mind that you just reject V3 outright without trying it or giving it even the slightest chance, then hey, nothing I can do. However, I know there are 2 things that need to happen before we shut down V2: 

First, performance needs to improve (for those with older machines or computers). I know that for a small % of members, V2 is faster. We will keep V2 until V3 is faster than V2. 

Secondly, I know that some members are more attached to V2 homepage style (that's the page that gets the most complaints). I'm working on one further iteration that I believe should be even more acceptable. 

Thanks for the feedback and I appreciate your patience through the process!

I think it all boils down to the speed of V3 like you said. Everyone can get use to a new interface but if it doesn't flow smooth then it's useless. 

Martin_Stahl
xming wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

3, some people like it, some don't.  Icons can be more universal, reducing the need for translations. Not saying the current icons are the most universal but I don't think they are hard to learn.

 

Have you seen the street sign where a person is portrayed as reading a book and there is an arrow pointing either left or right?  It means there is a library nearby but the sign is for people who can't read otherwise the sign would say "library".

 

And, you know, people that don't speak English. Use of symbols are one way to get through a language barrier.

 

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