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ClavierCavalier
ShaggyZ wrote:

What other nation in the world recognizes Quebec as a nation? You are referring to the "nation within a nation" motion which was just political maneuvering.

Couldn't one say this is the same as with the UK?  I'm not an expert on their foreign relations, but I've never once heard of the US leadership meeting with Northern Irish or Scots about treaties, trade, etc.  It's always the PM.  The countries in the UK have limited rule, except for England, which doesn't have a separate government from the UK.

Seriously, what makes Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales more independent than Quebec, or any of the 50 US states?

ClavierCavalier
LongIslandMark wrote:

Many nations have provences or states within them. The USA has 50 states and a number of territories. I would have no objection to this site having a Quebec flag, and similarly a flag for each state and territory in the US. But what's the point? It seems very confusing.

Man, there will be so many flags that no one will know where anyone is from!

TBentley

Why are there flags for Falkland Islands and Montserrat, for example, but not Saint Helena or Turks and Caicos Islands, for example? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states includes dependent territories in the right column)

TBentley

Then there's the Netherlands Antilles, which ceased to be a constituent country in 2010, but I guess people in Curacao and Sint Maarten have to choose that anyways. (Things would be complex for the Caribbean Netherlands anyways. Actually not really, since apparently they're part of the country of the Netherlands, as opposed to Aruba, Curacao, and Sint Maarten which are separate countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands.)

NewArdweaden

Yes, I was wondering where is the flag of Somaliland here on Chess.com:

TBentley

They only include states recognized by more than 20 countries, such as Taiwan, Western Sahara (even though Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic is probably the precise term), Kosovo, and Palestine.

NewArdweaden
TBentley wrote:

They only include states recognized by more than 20 countries, such as Taiwan, Western Sahara (even though Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic is probably the precise term), Kosovo, and Palestine.

I'm sure you mean the Republic of China.

TBentley
NewArdweaden wrote:
TBentley wrote:

They only include states recognized by more than 20 countries, such as Taiwan, Western Sahara (even though Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic is probably the precise term), Kosovo, and Palestine.

I'm sure you mean the Republic of China.

Chess.com uses "Taiwan", even if Republic of China is the official name.

netzach

NewArdweaden
netzach wrote:
 

Will you ever be independent? Slovenia was under Austria for 500 years and additional 50 under Yugoslavia - but we are independent for all my life now!

netzach

Not sure.

Maybe next year:)

SebLeb0210

NewArdweaden
netzach wrote:

Not sure.

Maybe next year:)

I wish you all possible luck. It is sad to watch many of European languages dissapear - how many of You still speak Scottish?

netzach

Strangely enough 'gaelic' still spoken regularly only in the Western-Isles.

(Is a dying language however)

ShaggyZ

ClavierCavalier wrote:

ShaggyZ wrote:

What other nation in the world recognizes Quebec as a nation? You are referring to the "nation within a nation" motion which was just political maneuvering.

Couldn't one say this is the same as with the UK?  I'm not an expert on their foreign relations, but I've never once heard of the US leadership meeting with Northern Irish or Scots about treaties, trade, etc.  It's always the PM.  The countries in the UK have limited rule, except for England, which doesn't have a separate government from the UK.

Seriously, what makes Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales more independent than Quebec, or any of the 50 US states?

"Wales i/ˈweɪlz/ (Welsh: Cymru; Welsh pronunciation: [ˈkəm.rɨ] ( listen)) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain,[2] bordered by England to its east and the Atlantic Ocean and Irish Sea to its west. ". From Wikipedia. The same cannot be said for Quebec.

ivandh

I like the Quebec flagh, but I also like arbitrariness.

ClavierCavalier
ShaggyZ wrote:

ClavierCavalier wrote:

ShaggyZ wrote:

 

What other nation in the world recognizes Quebec as a nation? You are referring to the "nation within a nation" motion which was just political maneuvering.

 

 

Couldn't one say this is the same as with the UK?  I'm not an expert on their foreign relations, but I've never once heard of the US leadership meeting with Northern Irish or Scots about treaties, trade, etc.  It's always the PM.  The countries in the UK have limited rule, except for England, which doesn't have a separate government from the UK.

Seriously, what makes Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales more independent than Quebec, or any of the 50 US states?

 

"Wales i/ˈweɪlz/ (Welsh: Cymru; Welsh pronunciation: [ˈkəm.rɨ] ( listen)) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain,[2] bordered by England to its east and the Atlantic Ocean and Irish Sea to its west. ". From Wikipedia. The same cannot be said for Quebec.

Of course it can't be said for Québec.  It might touch the Atlantic Ocean, but its no where near England or the Irish Sea.  It doesn't help, though.

"New York is a state that is part of the United States and the continent of North America that is bordered by Pennsylvania and New Jersey to the South, and Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont and the Atlantic Ocean to the East" can't be said for either Québec or Wales, so obviously New York's flag deserves to be recognized by chess.com.  :-p

ShaggyZ

The point I was trying to make is that Wikipedia specifically refers to Wales as a COUNTRY.

NewArdweaden
Indyfilmguy wrote:

This is mostly in response to "ShaggyZ" and "Clavier" who posted questions comparing the nations of the UK to the states of the USA or provinces of Canada:

Statements comparing the states or provinces of North American modern nations to Wales, Scotland, and Ireland show a complete ignorance of history.

So, why are Wales and Scotland considered countries with their own flags and Texas and Quebec are not? 

It doesn't have so much to do with whatever consitutional and legal framework exists, but the history of these areas going back to the later Roman period and the barbarian migrations of the 400s and 500s. 

The territories that eventually became Wales, Scotland, and England were settled by ethnically different peoples that saw the rest as enemies.  They also had their own borders for centuries and their own languages and cultures. 

Wales was independent of England for about a thousand years until its subjugation under the reign of Henry VIII.  Scotland was independent for almost two hundred years longer.

Now, does Quebec have its own language:  No.

Was Quebec ever independenent for any significant amount of time: No.

The closest thing in the New World to peoples that have existed for hundreds or thousands of years, with their own culture, language, and racial identity is the Native Americans.  Not Quebec.

+1

netzach
ShaggyZ wrote:

The point I was trying to make is that Wikipedia specifically refers to Wales as a COUNTRY.

United Kingdom is not the same as United States and that's the important fact you seem to overlook.

United KIndom = union of crowns, kingdoms and countries into one (equal) entity.

We are not some type of federation. Wales, Scotland and England are historical nations and existed as countries for centuries. The union does not diminish individual-identities.

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/The-Act-of-Union/

Quebec is a province. It has never existed as a separate country before. (Do respect their desire to attain this if that is what the population wants)