Why so few posts here on book?

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stwils

I am always disappointed when I come here to find only a few posts/topics on chess books. Go to the General Chess forum and it is so active and also has some posts on books.

Chess books are  not the "soul of chess,"  but they are such a part of us and our learning. And books are really dear to many of us.

I know, I love nothing better than to be reading a chess book - whether its tactics or strategy or games or general information. And always with reading a book it raises hope that I may get better at chess.

Do you think we can talk about books more than we do? Make this forum really active?

To start this off - I have just received Bain's Chess Tactics for Students. It is not an easy book, but it is a large book and has good explanations.

Also, I am going through Woolman's Chess Tactics Workbook. Nice big workbook.

And now for the prize: I ordered Predator at the Chessboard (like the website) and the two books are wonderful. Clear pages. Nice, big workbook. Full explanations that are clear.

So with that, I will just say that I hope to go through these three books and pray that my rating climbs out of the slump I am in now. (<1000)

And I hope this forum will become more active. Smile

stwils

SilverBirch

Slightly off your topic but I think nowadays with chess software and online databases, people dont tend to rely on books now, it is probably much easier to get a vast wealth of information on whatever opening or game style etc online than it is to find a book which is quite finite compared to the internet.

I actually have began collecting old chess books, not for their merit, infact I will hardly read any I buy to be honest, but I enjoy seeking them out and having a flick through old chess books.

eddiewsox

I just did a forum search and there are over 150 forum topics under "chess books."

stwils

That sounds good, but compare that to the topics on other forums.

stwils

artfizz

Perhaps you could suggest a profile of what you feel the forums should be focussed on e.g.

1. books

2. openings

3. how to improve

As it turns out, the concerns that generate the most traffic are those ones where opinions are most sharply polarised i.e. cheating, resigning, vacationing,  chatting, and speed of play.

wormrose

I've seen lots of topics about books such as; what is your favorite book or what books are good for beginners. I've also seen book reviews in the blogs and articles. I like books too. The trouble is finding books that are right for me at my level. Spend my money on a book that looks good and then find it's way over my head or too basic. And then there really is a lot of stuff available on the web. Nice thing about books is that they are focused and more thorough, such as "Art of Attack". I particularly like the "Starting Out" opening books by everyman chess. They are just about the right level for me.

stwils
artfizz wrote:

Perhaps you could suggest a profile of what you feel the forums should be focussed on e.g.

1. books

2. openings

3. how to improve

As it turns out, the concerns that generate the most traffic are those ones where opinions are most sharply polarised i.e. cheating, resigning, vacationing,  chatting, and speed of play.


 I think a forum on how to improve would be wonderful. (God knows it would help me.)

And books, too.

I know those other topics at the General Discission forum do have a lot of topics that people want to talk about.

But all I know, is that when I go there and see 20 or so new topics, and then to the book and equipment forum and there are posts from 14 hours ago, I feel discouraged.

Any suggestions, artfizz?

stwils

aansel

Part of the problem is the wide variety of strength of players on the site. The books you mention are not ones I read. I have started buying some teaching books for my daughter. I have a very large collection of chess  books going back to the 1570's. 

Also talking about books is not always interesting. There is a post about Dessert Island books which is always interesting.

Also many opening discussions have book related topics as there are recommendations.

learning tactics is a great start. Books and programs should both be used. I am not familiar with any of the tactic books you have listed.

Have you gone through Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess?

artfizz
artfizz wrote:

Perhaps you could suggest a profile of what you feel the forums should be focussed on e.g.

1. books

2. openings

3. how to improve

As it turns out, the concerns that generate the most traffic are those ones where opinions are most sharply polarised i.e. cheating, resigning, vacationing,  chatting, and speed of play.


stwils wrote: I think a forum on how to improve would be wonderful. (God knows it would help me.)

And books, too.

I know those other topics at the General Discission forum do have a lot of topics that people want to talk about.

But all I know, is that when I go there and see 20 or so new topics, and then to the book and equipment forum and there are posts from 14 hours ago, I feel discouraged.

Any suggestions, artfizz?

stwils


My best suggestion would be for people like me to stop posting rubbish in the forums!

You're referring to Forum CATEGORIES. A similar issue was raised in post #282 of the Wishlist4 discussion. (http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/chesscom-feature-request-and-wishlist-4?page=15) ...

 

chess337 wrote:

Could there be subcategories in the forums?  For instance I was just looking in the live chess forum to see if there was a thread about live chess etiquette and I couldn't find anything approximating what I was looking for.  I did notice though that there are many many many individual forum posts about disconnects.  It  got me thinking that there are a lot of repeat forum posts in most of the forums about issues that have already been discussed in depth.  Which is usually primarily due to people not bothering to take some time to see if there's already a post but could also be attributed to a lack of organization in the forums? 

    I understand there is a search feature, but if  from the get go I can restrict my search to the most likely sub forum it makes it easier to find the information rather than sift through a hundred pages of many repeated topics.  Or in the very least it gives me a good starting place where all the information on the subject I'm looking up is located, so if there is something similar it would be easy to find.   It's pretty easy to see a lot of repeat themes when navigating through a forum, so it shouldn't be too hard to develop sub categories?

     I know that's a lot of information to organize, but it might help people get the information quicker and save the community from having to listen to yet another drawn out discussion of an issue that has already been hammered into the ground ...

I apologise in advance if you feel you have wasted part of your life reading this forum post.  Perhaps if the wish list was sub-categorized you could have avoided it?

Cheers, happy holidays, keep up the good work Erik and staff!!

artfizz wrote:

There have been a variety of suggestions to address the issue of recurring topics:

  1. new forum categories (specific to rating)
  2. tags/keywords for topics (either a fixed set or user-provided)
  3. personal filters to block out specific topics 
  4. editable topic titles
  5. editable subtitles for topics
  6. thumbs-up/thumbs-down rating of posts by members
  7. individually referenceable posts
  8. better quoting of previous posts
  9. 'opening explorer'-like tool for locating forum topics
  10. tips window (offering snippets from the site Help)
  11. dynamic linking common words (like 'cheating') into the site FAQs
  12. resussitating common threads periodically
  13. customisable Hot Topics, Unread Posts etc.
  14. limiting Member Points earned or daily posts anyone can make
  15. automatic supression of pointless posts
  16. new forum statistics (for each topic, the number of people who had explicitly tracked it; the monthly popularity of specific topics of discussion)
  17. better searching before posting
  18. FAQs for resigning, disconnection, cheating, etc.
  19. read this before you post (sticky thread)

REFERENCES

  ARTREF:RECURRENT TOPICS MECHANISMS

It's a tricky one. With too many categories, it's bewildering and you can't choose the right one. With too few, posts all end up in the same place.
Erik has indicated that the Forums will be comprehensively overhauled in the Summer. I have started collecting what I feel are the shortcomings of the forums as a whole (http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/tally-forum-annoyances)

The bottom line is: if it were possible to sensibly find all of the recommendations about chess books in the forums, it wouldn't matter all that much in which category or topic someone originally placed them (e.g. in learning, in books, in openings, in puzzles, in scholastic chess, etc.).

Gomer_Pyle

I love books and I also love chess. So I doubly love a chess book. So far, I haven't been able to find the in-depth information I'm looking for on the net. There are plenty of sites with openings, annotated games, history and such but I haven't seen many really good ones dealing with strategy, tactics, or even endgames. I will admit, though, that I'm just returning to serious chess study after many years of occasional play.

When I last studied chess there wasn't any internet so books were the only way to go. (Yep, I'm that old.) I still have those books. The one I used the most is, of course, my favorite. "Chess Openings: Theory And Practice" by Horowitz has a special place in my heart, as does Fischer's "My 60 Memorable Games". Those, along with MCO 12 and Fine's "Basic Chess Endings" were my main sources of knowledge back in the '80s. Every few years I picked up another book, usually annotated games of Grandmasters.

I'm becoming more interested in chess history. I mostly want to learn more about the Grandmasters I heard about as I was growing up and learning chess such as Fischer, Petrosian, Euwe, Tal, Smyslov and their contemporaries. Those were exciting times in the world of chess. Fischer broke the Russian monopoly. Then Russians started deserting the Russian monopoly. Then the whole world broke into the chess scene. Chess was very political back then and there are many stories of mystery and intrigue I'd love to hear or read.

artfizz
eddiewsox wrote: I just did a forum search and there are over 150 forum topics under "chess books."

And, as expected, they are scattered through various categories. Here's a selection of those topics ...

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/best-beginners-book

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/best-book-on-the-middlegame?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/chess-books-1400---1500-players?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/chess-books-for-swapping

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/chess-books-you-cant-live-wit

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/endgame-book-silman-or-dvoretsky?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/endgames-chess-book

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/inexpensive-chess-books?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/is-silmans-reassess-your-chess-a-bit-beyond-me

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/kasparovs-sicilian

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/logical-chess-move-by-move-every-move-explained-new-algebraic-edition-by-irving-cher

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/thoughts-on-seirawans-winning-chess-series

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/what-are-the-best-chess-books

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/whats-a-good-book-on-overall-strategy?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-mentor/how-can-you-get-good-fast?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/1-e4-e5-2-nf3-nc6-3-bb5?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/beginner-openings

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/best-book-on-chess-openings

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/best-way-to-study-openings?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/need-help-playing-open-sicilians?quote_id=1507911

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/proper-way-to-study-a-chess-opening-book-mco-or-nco

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/chess-book-library

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/mikhail-tal

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/mikhail-tal-the-magician-from-riga?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/endgames/endgame-books

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/best-tip-for-a-beginnerintermediate-chess-players?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/best-way-for-an-adult-to-get-s

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chess-library2

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/how-much-chess-training-time-is-good?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/list-your-chess-books

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/studying-chess3

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/studying-chess3?quote_id=1938811

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-best-book

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-chess-art-thread?page=9

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-am-i-improving-so-slowly

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/best-book-from-2008

aansel

Gomer--here are some suggestions

Sosonko wrote three volumes (no games ) about various chess peronalities. They were published by New in Chess (Russian Silhouettes is one title)

Soltis has two excellent books -Bobby Fischer Rediscovers and Why Lasker Matters.

Keene (I know surprising) wrote an excellent book called Petrosian the Elite.

stwils
artfizz wrote:
eddiewsox wrote: I just did a forum search and there are over 150 forum topics under "chess books."

And, as expected, they are scattered through various categories. Here's a selection of those topics ...

 

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/best-beginners-book

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/best-book-on-the-middlegame?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/chess-books-1400---1500-players?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/chess-books-for-swapping

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/chess-books-you-cant-live-wit

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/endgame-book-silman-or-dvoretsky?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/endgames-chess-book

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/inexpensive-chess-books?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/is-silmans-reassess-your-chess-a-bit-beyond-me

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/kasparovs-sicilian

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/logical-chess-move-by-move-every-move-explained-new-algebraic-edition-by-irving-cher

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/thoughts-on-seirawans-winning-chess-series

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/what-are-the-best-chess-books

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/whats-a-good-book-on-overall-strategy?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-mentor/how-can-you-get-good-fast?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/1-e4-e5-2-nf3-nc6-3-bb5?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/beginner-openings

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/best-book-on-chess-openings

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/best-way-to-study-openings?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/need-help-playing-open-sicilians?quote_id=1507911

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/proper-way-to-study-a-chess-opening-book-mco-or-nco

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/chess-book-library

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/mikhail-tal

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/mikhail-tal-the-magician-from-riga?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/endgames/endgame-books

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/best-tip-for-a-beginnerintermediate-chess-players?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/best-way-for-an-adult-to-get-s

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chess-library2

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/how-much-chess-training-time-is-good?lc=1

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/list-your-chess-books

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/studying-chess3

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/studying-chess3?quote_id=1938811

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-best-book

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-chess-art-thread?page=9

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-am-i-improving-so-slowly

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/best-book-from-2008


 Wow. Lots of forum posts I need to read. Thank you artfizz.

stwils

Gomer_Pyle
aansel wrote:

Gomer--here are some suggestions...


Thanks, I'll check those out.