1.e4 f6?!

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trysts

Far too many "anti-god" posts in the forums....Wombats exist, damnit!Laughing

BirdsDaWord

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BirdsDaWord

And they are cute too!

trysts

That's the cutest god ever!Smile

BirdsDaWord

How could you EVER refuse those beautiful eyes?  ;-)

trysts

Okay, angels are pretty cute as wellLaughing

BirdsDaWord

Anyway, back to the 1. e4 f6 - I guess the book says it's bad...well, that is okay.  I tried to play the Black side of the Ruy the other day, and I won, and I put the game in the "Game Showcase" forum.  I got so many question marks on my moves from pfren's analysis, it isn't funny!  I am trying to learn the "correct" openings, but I still do pretty good with the bad ones!

ilikeflags
so you reported me but you're still discussing it?
BirdsDaWord

discussing 1. e4 f6?  Yes

BirdsDaWord

In honor of our opening discussion here, I actually found someone else who likes 1. e4 f6!  I played it against him a minute ago, and he returned the favor!  Gotta love these original games.  I am posting these in honor of Barnes Defense, and also for my new 1...f6 friend, Mobjob.

So, my new friend played the setup against me too!  We had a nice chat during this game.  He regularly plays 1...f6 stuff too, but he said he had never faced it.  Anyway, here was our game.  This was via 1. f4, and I played a Stonewall against the 1...f6 ideas. 

BirdsDaWord

uhoh, wouldn't you argue that 1...f6 and 1...h6 both are openings that are less-respected?  Can we evaluate 1...h6 as better than 1...f6?  Maybe slightly, but I cannot see much more than that.  

1...f6 has a point.  Black gains control over e5, and takes away the support points of e5 and g5 from White's Nf3, in one move.  Many of the old attacks involved both Ne5 and Ng5, so I can see some reason why Barnes chose 1...f6 when he faced Morphy.  

Granted, there are no pieces developed, and the knight can no longer go to f6.  But even then, it doesn't give Black a lost game.  Black still has some ideas, and the ability to counterpunch at e5 with Nf7, which is also a nicely placed piece for both defensive and offensive ideas in the middlegame.

MAttos_12

As always, there is a degree of surprise and confusion from playing these kind of moves.  People might be temtped to over-play their hand and make a mistake.

Basically though, its the sword fighting equivalent of tying yourself to a chair and hoping that your opponant falls on their sword in their keeness to take advantage of your folly.  Even if they do, its hardly makes your plan a good one...

wujek_dziadek

Thats how you play that opening!
Gm_andrewfeng
BirdsDaWord

Melvin, you assume I claimed it was sound.  I just said it gets a worse rap than it deserves.  I win with 1...f6 and lose with 1...c5.  That is my point.  

WestofHollywood

1...f6 is an objectively inferior move. No question about that, but chess between humans is a game of not just calculation but psychology, deception, and trickery. Therefore its OK to play it.

xaltondz

1. e4 f6 2. d4 e5 3. dxe5 fxe5 4. Qh5+  Black has no good options: 4 ... g6 leads to rook capture after Qxe5, 4 ... Ke7 leads to queen capture after Bg5.

BirdsDaWord

Since so many people insist on giving 2...g5 as the obvious reply in the Barnes, why not use it on the terrible Sicilain Defense?  I mean, only losers like Kasparov play such a trashy attempt against 1. e4.

You guys give me a good laugh.  Melvin, you are correct about the gambit - we discussed that already.  

For everyone who posts a silly response about the Barnes, I will give you an equally ridiculous proposal.  Hey, let's discuss the stupid Ruy Lopez too - only losers play that one too.

AndyClifton
gambitlover wrote:
I play for fun, not to save the world.

Oddly, I do play to save the world (with predictably lamentable results).

pauix
BirdBrain wrote:

 

Since so many people insist on giving 2...g5 as the obvious reply in the Barnes, why not use it on the terrible Sicilain Defense?  I mean, only losers like Kasparov play such a trashy attempt against 1. e4.

You guys give me a good laugh.  Melvin, you are correct about the gambit - we discussed that already.  

For everyone who posts a silly response about the Barnes, I will give you an equally ridiculous proposal.  Hey, let's discuss the stupid Ruy Lopez too - only losers play that one too.

 


That's just ridiculous. A real Bongcloud player would never push his king back unless he's forced. 13...Kxc3! is way better, followed by Kb2.