I agree - there's also the Trompowsky (which you healed many times!)
1. d4 openings HURT/HEAL game
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Jul 21, 2025
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#123
SirRM23Divergent wrote:
I agree - there's also the Trompowsky (which you healed many times!)
Well, yes, and the Torre and London. I wasn't even going there, where White avoids 2.c4. You add the 2.non-c4 lines and you start hitting the double digits of non-Indian openings after 1.d4 Nf6.
Oddly enough - I played in a tournament this weekend, and had White 3 times, rounds 1, 3, and 5, and not one Trompowsky. I had a Torre Attack by transposition (1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nd2 e6 4.e3 Be7 5.Bd3 Nbd7 6.Nf3 c5 7.c3), a Levitsky Attack with no transposition (no early ...Nf6) via 1.d4 d5 2.Bg5 c5 3.dxc5 h6 4.Bh4 g5 5.Bg3 Bg7 6.c3, and a Staunton Gambit (1.d4 f5 2.e4) against a GM.
Won the first two against mid-to-upper 1900s players, lost to the GM. I went 1 and 1 as Black, losing to a 2400 FM and beating a 1950. Those were a Kings Indian Attack and a weird Petroff where White played 3.d3 and it turned into a Old Indian with colors reversed (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d3 d5 4.Be2 Bd6 5.Bg5 d4 6.O-O c5 with ...Nc6, ...Qe7, ...Bc7, ...h6, etc.) Not something you would expect from a Petroff.
Well done on your tournament
Benko Gambit5 (-5)
Bogo-Indian 25
Catalan 30
Dutch 40
King's Indian Defense 40
Nimzo Indian 25
Queen's Gambit Accepted 30
Queen's Gambit Declined 20
Queen's Indian Defense 25
Torre Attack 30
Trompowsky 45
Jul 21, 2025
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#126
JHACKIL wrote:
The London System is very good, especially below 1000 and perhaps up to 1200. It is a nice opening. I do not play it any longer, as I have adapted a more dynamic style of play, but I still respect it.
Benoni feels better ngl
Jul 21, 2025
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#127
Bogo-Indian 25
Catalan 30
Dutch 40
King's Indian Defense 40
Nimzo Indian 25
Queen's Gambit Accepted 30 (- 5)
Queen's Gambit Declined 20
Queen's Indian Defense 25
Torre Attack 30
Trompowsky 45
Jul 21, 2025
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#129
Bogo-Indian 25
Catalan 30
Dutch 40
King's Indian Defense 45
King's Gambit 35
Nimzo Indian 25
Queen's Gambit Accepted 35 (+5)
Queen's Gambit Declined 20
Queen's Indian Defense 25
Torre Attack 30
Trompowsky 45
Benko Gambit 0 (-5) DEAD
Bogo-Indian 25
Catalan 30
Dutch 40
King's Indian Defense 45
King's Gambit 35
Nimzo Indian 25
Queen's Gambit Accepted 35
Queen's Gambit Declined 20
Queen's Indian Defense 25
Torre Attack 30
Trompowsky 45
Jul 22, 2025
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#131
Who added kings gambit?
Bogo-Indian 25
Catalan 30
Dutch 40
King's Indian Defense 45
Nimzo Indian 25
Queen's Gambit Accepted 35
Queen's Gambit Declined 20
Queen's Indian Defense 25
Torre Attack 30
Trompowsky 45(-5) = 40
Put like that or else people will get confused
Bogo-Indian 25
Catalan 30
Dutch 40
King's Indian Defense 45
Nimzo Indian 25
Queen's Gambit Accepted 35
Queen's Gambit Declined 20
Queen's Indian Defense 25
Torre Attack 30
Trompowsky 45(-5) = 40
Put like that or else people will get confused
Bogo-Indian 25
Catalan 30
Dutch (40-5) = 35
King's Indian Defense 45
Nimzo Indian 25
Queen's Gambit Accepted 35
Queen's Gambit Declined 20
Queen's Indian Defense 25
Torre Attack 30
Trompowsky 40
people need to do more hurting and less healing or this game won't end lol
Jul 22, 2025
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#134
> Torre Attack 30
> Trompowsky 40
Everything started with hurting london, even tough
7 pages later on the top is london wearing fake nose glasses. Twice.
Jul 22, 2025
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#135
SuryaVS wrote:
Who added kings gambit?
Bogo-Indian 25
Catalan 30
Dutch 40
King's Indian Defense 45
Nimzo Indian 25
Queen's Gambit Accepted 30
Queen's Gambit Declined 20
Queen's Indian Defense 25
Torre Attack 30
Trompowsky 45(-5) = 40
Put like that or else people will get confused
Bogo-Indian 25
Catalan 30
Dutch 40
King's Indian Defense 45
Nimzo Indian 25
Queen's Gambit Accepted 30
Queen's Gambit Declined 20
Queen's Indian Defense 25
Torre Attack 30
Trompowsky 45(-5) = 40
Put like that or else people will get confused
@honchkrowabcd and he trolled too
Jul 22, 2025
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#136
HairlessCloud wrote:
> Torre Attack 30
> Trompowsky 40
Everything started with hurting london, even tough
7 pages later on the top is london wearing fake nose glasses. Twice.
go back to post 1
Jul 22, 2025
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#137
Bogo-Indian 25
Catalan 30
Dutch 35 - 5 = 30
King's Indian Defense 45
Nimzo Indian 25
Queen's Gambit Accepted 35
Queen's Gambit Declined 20
Queen's Indian Defense 25
Torre Attack 30
Trompowsky 40
The Indian game is not a chess opening in itself - after 1. d4 Nf6 chess.com says "Indian game" because it's a filler, they don't know what opening will be yet. But most of the openings it leads to e.g. Nimzo-Indian, Bogo Indian, QID, KID etc. have Indian in their name so they just use it. It's not an opening in itself, just an opening move
Precisely - chess.com puts in a ton of "artificial fillers" that don't really belong there, but some moron thought that every move and every position must have a specific name, and couldn't accept that some positions have no name, or a name but no variation yet, like 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 and now 2...Nc6, 2...e6, and 2...d6 are all still just the Sicilian Defense - Variation Undetermined!
And as far as 1...Nf6, there are many "Non-Indian Defenses that this can become. Aside from transpositions to other openings that usually come from a different move order than 1...Nf6, such as the Queen's Gambit Declined, you have:
The Catalan (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3)
The Budapest (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5)
The Blumenthal Counter-Gambit (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 b5)
The Benko Gambit (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5)
The Czech Benoni (1.d4 Nf6 3.c4 c5 3.d5 e5)
The Modern Benoni (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e6)
The Mexican Defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 Nc6 - also known as the two knights tango)
There may be others. Will not argue ones like the Grunfeld as I have seen multiple major sources, such as New In Chess, refer to it as the Grunfeld Indian, and their system, which is not ECO, it is like, KI 13.1, uses GI for the Grunfeld.