"Brilliant" Evaluation

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hermanstinkt

I know this has been asked before but I haven't found a concrete answer so here it is:

What has to be done for a move to be declared as "Brilliant" by the analysis feature from Chess.com? What I would like to see is some kind of checklist provided by someone who actually knows.

notmtwain
hermanstinkt wrote:

I know this has been asked before but I haven't found a concrete answer so here it is:

What has to be done for a move to be declared as "Brilliant" by the analysis feature from Chess.com? What I would like to see is some kind of checklist provided by someone who actually knows.

Chess.com hasn't released the methodology for their CAPS evaluation ( now called Accuracy) or the move classifications yet.

Until then, you're just going to have to come up with your own theories.

You might post whatever games you saw with that evaluation. Perhaps someone can help you figure it out.

hermanstinkt
notmtwain schreef:
hermanstinkt wrote:

I know this has been asked before but I haven't found a concrete answer so here it is:

What has to be done for a move to be declared as "Brilliant" by the analysis feature from Chess.com? What I would like to see is some kind of checklist provided by someone who actually knows.

Chess.com hasn't released the methodology for their CAPS evaluation ( now called Accuracy) or the move classifications yet.

Until then, you're just going to have to come up with your own theories.

You might post whatever games you saw with that evaluation. Perhaps someone can help you figure it out.

Hmm alright then so we will never know? 

notmtwain
hermanstinkt wrote:
notmtwain schreef:
hermanstinkt wrote:

I know this has been asked before but I haven't found a concrete answer so here it is:

What has to be done for a move to be declared as "Brilliant" by the analysis feature from Chess.com? What I would like to see is some kind of checklist provided by someone who actually knows.

Chess.com hasn't released the methodology for their CAPS evaluation ( now called Accuracy) or the move classifications yet.

Until then, you're just going to have to come up with your own theories.

You might post whatever games you saw with that evaluation. Perhaps someone can help you figure it out.

Hmm alright then so we will never know? 

I know @jdcannon said he was considering it in an older thread. 

I don't see any reason why they wouldn't reveal it.

hermanstinkt

Can you link that thread?

notmtwain
hermanstinkt wrote:

Can you link that thread?

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/site-feedback/is-accuracy-a-joke

ElvisMyBoy

It is when the best move according to computer is in evaluation with the second move 3pts or more difference so even if it is a simple recapture or forced only move it says brilliant so dont get exited by that.

DiogenesDue

My guess would be a move a single move that changes the evaluation from even to winning (more than +2.00), but all other evaluations for the position show even or worse for several moves out...i.e. a several moves deep tactical or positional insight in an otherwise completely balanced position...a move that is a one-shot that takes deeper calculation ability in a position that otherwise does not look promising.  Much like what you would expect to be called a brilliancy in some super-GM tournament.

DiogenesDue
deaf_blue_bottles wrote:
btickler wrote:

My guess would be a move a single move that changes the evaluation from even to winning (more than +2.00), but all other evaluations for the position show even or worse for several moves out...i.e. a several moves deep tactical or positional insight in an otherwise completely balanced position...a move that is a one-shot that takes deeper calculation ability in a position that otherwise does not look promising.  Much like what you would expect to be called a brilliancy in some super-GM tournament.

Eh, I guess. But the flip side is when you only give your opponent one out, they're more likely to find it. Necessity is the mother of invention as they say. Some authors and players have talked about this before. Korchnoi and Christensen come to mind.

Also, it's a nitpick, but it's impossible to increase the evaluation with your move. The best move is the one that maintains it, and with engines as strong as they are these days, I'm not sure it's possible to have it increase from equal to winning (at least not with frequency worth giving it a name for analysis of human moves).

I will answer your nitpick with a nitpick.  Engines (traditional ones that produce the evaluations in question, anyway) still have a horizon, so it is still possible to increase the evaluation purely through playing a move that narrows the engine's field of vision...for example if you play a Bxh7+ sacrifice that currently does not pay off for a few moves after the horizon of the depth your engine is searching (say, 30+ ply), merely playing that move will force the engine to deal with the limitations of it's new reality (a more limited reality with less attractive branches to run along) and it will suddenly "discover" the sac to be successful sooner through your move than it might have otherwise.

But yes, usually it's not really increasing the engine's evaluation, just staying on course with best play.  I just said it that way because it was far too convoluted to say it the other way and then have to describe this very thing wink.png.

lfPatriotGames

misassesses?

Dclawyerantitrust

In my opinion, my fork of the queen and king, which led to  mate within a few moves, was "brilliant" , esp against a player over 50 points higher than me. 

https://www.chess.com/live/game/4312982433

lfPatriotGames
Optimissed wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

misassesses?

You clearly like that word. Does it exist? Well, it should so it does.

I dont know if I like it or not. I've never heard of it. It sounds like a made up word, which I suppose is reason enough to like it. 

I have to say I'm a little disappointed in Ghost. He must be off his game a little bit for not coming up with a better comment.

Laskersnephew

What is this obsession over whether or not  a rather simple computer program called your move brilliant? Do you think that really matters? I can assure you that it doesn't actually make you brilliant

Laskersnephew

"I make up words normally. That's if I think they should exist. Not if I think they shouldn't of course."

You know who else did that? William Shakespeare. He had this briliant trick of "verbing" a noun that made his prose so rich and surprising.

Let me introduce the Assess family: There's Mr. Assess, Mrs. Assess, young Master Assess, and of course, their lovely daughter Miss Assess. They are much nicer than the Bates family

Laskersnephew
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Shakespeare is overrated.

You know who else said that? Leo Tolstoy

AliDoAnE
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Laskersnephew
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Actually, many have dubbed Mr Bill overrated:  Voltaire, Shaw and Borges come to mind.

Reminds me of all the people starting threads on Chess.com about how Carlsen is overrated

Laskersnephew

You might have noticed that the existence of ELO ratings hasn't prevented the spawning of hundreds of "X is overrated!" threads