llama47 wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
No, it's just because your opponent played 41655 bullet games to get to that rating. Generally the more games you play the higher your peak rating will be.
https://www.chess.com/games/archive/joy5555?gameOwner=other_game&gameType=live&gameTypeslive%5B%5D=bullet&rated=rated&timeSort=desc&page=3
Yeah, that was the weirdest string of games I have ever seen. And if you look at his unrated games yesterday, then you see that he was not playing at the level of a 2000.
My guess is that might not be the same player, might be one of the student playing against. You never know. Probably check the game he won against stronger players.
in a rated game that should be against TOS.
Which is probably why he plays so much unrated.
makes sense lol But I still think it should be against TOS. I mean the whole reason I'm against speedruns is not necessarily because of rating points, but because of duping people out of competitive matches which is what they are signing up for. And you can't blame people for being angry about it.
It is rare for a person to play against multiple speedrunners, so I don't think streamers are duping many people out of competitive matches. It really depends on how you look at it. Unrated is where you go to play without the risk of losing rating points. If someone wants to let his little brother play and you are against that, then realize that he wouldn't get away with it in rated, and you should probably stay there for a consistent challenge. Plus, since so few people play unrated, you will get a vast rating variation.
Because its not just the streamers that are playing on multiple accounts. They are leading by example.
Everyone else knows they can't do it without permission, so if they open another account, then either they don't know the rules, or they are dishonest. If the player I played was manipulating his rating, then he belongs to the second category.
They are dishonest, but the streamers being sanctioned to do it officially, are encouraging that dishonesty. its considered fun and has become fashionable and this is the site to do it on.
But if you think about the concept of streamer speedruns, they are, by themselves, beneficial in my opinion. Lower rated players get to play a higher level player without losing rating points and learn from them (unless it's a speedrun with a catch), and it brings fun entertainment. When higher rated players make another account without authorization, then that's when people get cheated. That's why 'smurfing' isn't so bad in unrated, because you can challenge lower rated players without them being cheated. Once you cross the line and break the guidelines set in place, then it's on you.
And to be honest, if you want to continue with this subject, then this is the thread for you:
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-are-speedruns-even-allowed?page=16#last_comment
SOrry bud, but its the root of exacerbating alot of problems on this site. Relates to many things.
I really don't understand what you are saying, and as it doesn't seem relevant to the topic, I politely suggest you go to the other thread, because I honestly think you have more to say on the subject than I do.
Its ironic that you have stated rating manipulation is a problem in this very thread, yet you don't want to admit that speedrunning encourages it. now you are hoping the thread gets locked. interesting.
I don't want this thread to get locked, but the things you were saying seem to suggest that YOU don't care. I didn't make a broad statement about rating manipulation, I just admitted that my opponent might have done it. YOU made a statement about speedrunning that I disagreed with, even if I thought your argument had merit. I was merely engaging in friendly conversation, but you continued to express your thoughts, making it close to a debate about a subject that was not the point of the thread! I was asking for thoughts about a match I played with a higher rated opponent, but you apparently wanted to talk more in-depth about speedrunning, which is why I gave you a link to a thread made to talk about speedrunning, and it has a lot of opinions which i thought you would appreciate. I was honestly trying to be helpful, as I think your thoughts, which I honestly thought interesting, would be more appreciated over there. You then proceeded to say some random nonsense which is definitely not relevant. There is no merit left in this conversation, so if you want to continue talking about speedrunning, please go to the other thread.
And for the record, you cannot accuse me of wanting to get this thread locked when you have had two threads locked before anyone could respond!