Is the bullet pool here on chess.com exceptionally strong?

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cauchy_schwarz_inequality

If you are referring to lichess, different rating system, or atleast used to be.

As to bullet it self, its just a game. If you want to be good play bullet not chess, when playing chess OTB is think a lot, tanking 40 minutes once, also a draw once every 10 games.

 

when i play bullet i try to win on time since that is the restiction we put on ourselves. play for the attack and rush pawns up the board they only have 1 min to react.

DjonniDerevnja
drmrboss wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:

I play 2m1sec bullet and have 785 rating. I think   some of the games are good. I  do have a timeproblem. Many games are so good that analyzeengine give caps score at 90 and above. Had a 97 yesterday, but there are also 30,40 and 50 scoring in some games. Fide longchess i have 1450 rating. I see a lot of good players rated below 1000 bullet.

I dont think <1000 can be good at any time control. Bullet will be much worse for them.

But whether your opponent is good or not also depend on your perception.

The problem is when there is 1000  vs 1000, one cant find and exploit his opponent weakness easily ( and he might think that his opponent might be good). The same to any level 2000 vs 2000 etc.That is why most people are stalled at those rating. But someone who can find the weakness of same level of opponents would become better rated player, 2500, 2800 etc.

 

And the CAP score is quite flaw, if you play open system opening with lots of tactical posibilities, your CAP score will be likely low( you will likely miss tactics)

 

If you play closed system such as stone wall, your CAP scores will be likely higher( less mobility----》less chance of tactics---》 less likely to miss tactics----》 higher CAP scores)

If you look at my games you will see an attacking agressive style, and when I get it right the caps can be in the nineties.  Time is my huge problem in bullet 2+1, and I have problems both with seeing everything and actually move before the clock falls.  Bullet is some fun games with lot of good moves , and its also timelosses and blunders. There are many players like me at around 800 bullet, players that have a quite ok chessunderstanding, but often fails in the hurry.  The chess-skills at 800 bullet is very variable. Some are skilled and slow, and other not very skilled, but fast. I am reasonably good by my standards , and will become a mediocre longchessplayer maybe already this autumn. Last year I usually have been performing ca 1600 Fide otb, which is very close to average in my club Nordstrand. My conclusion is that there are a many good players at low chess.com bulletrating.

DjonniDerevnja
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
drmrboss wrote:

Very unlikely to see, such rating difference, unless he is a smurf.  Being a FIDE 1848,  would have sound theoretical knowledge of chess whereas 1000-1200 are just moving pieces without sound plan.

 

Well that's what I'm asking: What if his theoretical knowledge, tactical ability, endgame skills were all that of an 1850 but he simply couldn't exercise them in a 2+1 bullet game as it's too fast? I guess what you guys hint at is that if you begin to progress to that extent in longer time controls it would be unlikely that you would be too slow for a 1000 bullet player regardless of anything else? 

Maybe the bulletspeed slowly will evolve. I think I am 10percent faster now than I was a couple of years ago, which means that I can win a won game in in for example 36 moves, a game when my clock would have fallen in move 33 a couple of years ago. When my speed goes up to 60 moves in a 2+1  I will be able to win most of my won games in time. When that speed is in, my bulletrating might skyrocket.

DjonniDerevnja
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
drmrboss wrote:

 

4. Fast ending techniques ( should finish simple 10 move checkmate  in 3-5 secs)

 

 

 

LOL - you guys are insane. "Simple 10 move checkmate in .2 seconds". When have you ever seen someone move that fast OTB? 

I have seen maybe faster play at Fagernes in easter 2014. GM Frode Urkedal playing Erlend Mikaelsen in  unofficial 30 sec no increments bulletgames.

DjonniDerevnja
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
drmrboss wrote:

Very unlikely to see, such rating difference, unless he is a smurf.  Being a FIDE 1848,  would have sound theoretical knowledge of chess whereas 1000-1200 are just moving pieces without sound plan.

 

Well that's what I'm asking: What if his theoretical knowledge, tactical ability, endgame skills were all that of an 1850 but he simply couldn't exercise them in a 2+1 bullet game as it's too fast? I guess what you guys hint at is that if you begin to progress to that extent in longer time controls it would be unlikely that you would be too slow for a 1000 bullet player regardless of anything else? 

Maybe the bulletspeed slowly will evolve. I think I am 10percent faster now than I was a couple of years ago, which means that I can win a won game in in for example 36 moves, a game when my clock would have fallen in move 33 a couple of years ago. When my speed goes up to 60 moves in a 2+1  I will be able to win most of my won games in time. When that speed is in, my bulletrating might skyrocket.

 

But you're a 1585 rapid. Why are you actually working on improving your bullet rating here? 

Bullet is fun, and often I can not find time for longer games. I also want to improve my speed and get so fast that I can do ok in 3+2 blitz in my club, and avoid panicking in timetrouble in longchess. Actually I did ok at this years summerpartyblitz with a 50% score against stronger players.

Preggo_Basashi

Yeah, 30 second games are silly.

I like to play 1 minute bullet a few times a week, because it's fun, but I still admit it's nonsense chess tongue.png

DjonniDerevnja
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
drmrboss wrote:

 

4. Fast ending techniques ( should finish simple 10 move checkmate  in 3-5 secs)

 

 

 

LOL - you guys are insane. "Simple 10 move checkmate in .2 seconds". When have you ever seen someone move that fast OTB? 

I have seen maybe faster play at Fagernes in easter 2014. GM Frode Urkedal playing Erlend Mikaelsen in  unofficial 30 sec no increments bulletgames.

 

But again: Why? Why is someone playing 30 second games? I like watching titled players play 3/2 or longer. I just don't see the intrigue to watching these guys play that fast. 

A bit fun and a bit show off I guess. And maybe training hand-brain speed coordination.

DjonniDerevnja
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
 

 

But you're a 1585 rapid. Why are you actually working on improving your bullet rating here? 

Won't you just hit a huge plateau in tournament blitz as soon as you start playing guys who have much higher rapid and classical ratings? How far can we progress in blitz without progressing in longer games eventually? I watch guys in Washington Square now and then and on the internet playing like 3/0 and 5/0 and wonder how many of them actually have a FIDE rating. 

Different traning works for different people. I need to train my speed. I also think that the strongest training, which also gives a lot improvement to blitz, is longchess tournaments over the board, and analyze both with opponent after the game, and later with computer.   I also think that fun is important.  I rather play some blitz than reading chessbooks. Chessbooks are probably helping  a lot more, but my priority is fun before effiency. Getting good at blitz isnt my biggest goal. For me the big competitions are longchess, maybe four tournaments a year.  The blitz helps me get the openings better, and surviving them leads into interesting middlegames.

DjonniDerevnja
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:

 

Blitz + increment is helping me work on a lot, especially endgames and what openings lead to what types of them. I really, really need to be disciplined and get back to working on longer games again, though. I remember 20+20 and 30+30 were nice TC's for me but I'm wondering how long it would take to get a game like that going here. Probably not long. I can get them quick on Lichess but I really hate that site compared to this one at this point. This is so, so much better (Chess.com) than it was a few years ago. 

15m 10 s is the longest time control that works for me on computer chess. To much waiting and I fall asleep. Really long games, like 90min +30 sec works much better over the board in tournaments and clubs. I often stands up, walks around, gets some coffee, looks at the other boards. 

Novagames

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DjonniDerevnja

I just played my most presice bulletgame ever.https://www.chess.com/live/game/2919434800

22 moves, all excellent. caps score 99,48 This proves 775 is good enough rating to play excellent games occationally . My cleanest game ever, but of course, a very good player wouldnt allow me to  dominate like that.

Preggo_Basashi

I guess in a way anyone might have a really low bullet rating... even a master would be rated under 1000 if he didn't move very fast.

But other than oddities like physical impairment, I wouldn't expect a 1600 to be rated as low as 1000 in bullet... just saying.

Preggo_Basashi

I don't know.

I remember playing this 2000 rated kid one time. It was a maroczy bind structure and I'm white, but he played some setup I wasn't familiar with and I was spending like... 10 minutes every other move right out of the opening trying to figure stuff out.

All the calculation just made me confused and tired. I played a lot of sub par moves and lost quickly. Maybe in less than 30 moves even (a really bad game by me all around)

Later we played some blitz and not only was I faster, but my moves were better than his tongue.png

 

So, I don't know... sometimes people have bad days, and it might be hard to guess how fast someone can play based on an OTB game at long time controls.

blueemu

Another factor to consider is age.

 

I'm in my 60s. When I was young (back in the Late Bronze Age) I used to win OTB Blitz tournaments, but I can't play Blitz nowadays. In Daily games (3 days per move) I'm still pretty strong, but at quick time controls I'm a pooch.

Janmady

5. Time management, when to play tactics, when not to play

 

I suck at this.