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Ginoskos

How is it that there are players on here with a low rating (below 900) who have been here for years—some as far back as 2017—and play with a precision that appears to be much higher than their rating?

Ginoskos
TheNameofNames wrote:

because theyre cheating

You are probably right. Funny thing is I started off well on here and now I am getting bombarded with losses from people with low ratings like mine who are playing with great precision. I get it that I have made mistakes, and that I am not that good at chess. But it is suspicious that I am suffering so many losses so suddenly.

Martin_Stahl
Ginoskos wrote:
TheNameofNames wrote:

because theyre cheating

You are probably right. Funny thing is I started off well on here and now I am getting bombarded with losses from people with low ratings like mine who are playing with great precision. I get it that I have made mistakes, and that I am not that good at chess. But it is suspicious that I am suffering so many losses so suddenly.

The vast majority of the games, if you analyze them, will have multiple mistakes by both sides.

BigChessplayer665
Ginoskos wrote:

How is it that there are players on here with a low rating (below 900) who have been here for years—some as far back as 2017—and play with a precision that appears to be much higher than their rating?

Perma tilt (along with other fair play things but imsmurfing is more of a problem at the 600 level then cheating )

eric0022
Ginoskos wrote:
TheNameofNames wrote:

because theyre cheating

You are probably right. Funny thing is I started off well on here and now I am getting bombarded with losses from people with low ratings like mine who are playing with great precision. I get it that I have made mistakes, and that I am not that good at chess. But it is suspicious that I am suffering so many losses so suddenly.

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A tide of wins, followed by a tide of losses, it's pretty normal. I assume that you have played chess for a significantly longer period than the age of your account.

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Focusing on your blitz games only, I see a streak of 6 straight won games ending Feb 7 and a streak of 7 straight lost games ending Feb 11 (based on my country's time).

Ginoskos

I assume that you have played chess for a significantly longer period than the age of your account.

true

Ginoskos

For example, this guy just wiped the floor with me. Only 19 games and has been a member since 2023. Destroyed me! Every move was highly calculated and precise.
ddflash30 - Chess Profile - Chess.com

AndrewSmith

If your suspicious of any user please report

https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8562517-how-do-i-report-someone

Thanks

HonSec
Ginoskos wrote:

For example, this guy just wiped the floor with me. Only 19 games and has been a member since 2023. Destroyed me! Every move was highly calculated and precise.
ddflash30 - Chess Profile - Chess.com

This isn't necessarily suspicious - they've only played nineteen games, which means that they are quite likely just not accurately rated on this site, rather than cheating. If they keep playing, at some point their rating will normalise. You were just one of the unlucky ones to meet them on their way up.

nklristic
Ginoskos wrote:

For example, this guy just wiped the floor with me. Only 19 games and has been a member since 2023. Destroyed me! Every move was highly calculated and precise.
ddflash30 - Chess Profile - Chess.com

Every time you are suspicious, you should report. That is the only way for unfair players to be banned. I don't want your topic to be closed because of a talk about cheating, so I will concentrate on analyzing this game in order for you to get better, as it seems to me this is your aim.

First of all, the opponent played really well. He exploited your pawn grabbing and slow play in the opening really well. This play is much better than his rating. What should you take from the game?

Taking material is usually good, but if it is a single pawn in the opening, and it comes with the cost of lagging several moves at the start, it might not be worth it. Especially when in order to keep that pawn, you make some non developing moves which weaken you further. That b6 is a perfect example. If your king was already safe or you had your light squared bishop ready to help, that would be another thing, but here it was bad.

BigChessplayer665
nklristic wrote:
Ginoskos wrote:

For example, this guy just wiped the floor with me. Only 19 games and has been a member since 2023. Destroyed me! Every move was highly calculated and precise.
ddflash30 - Chess Profile - Chess.com

Every time you are suspicious, you should report. That is the only way for unfair players to be banned. I don't want your topic to be closed because of a talk about cheating, so I will concentrate on analyzing this game in order for you to get better, as it seems to me this is your aim.

 

First of all, the opponent played really well. He exploited your pawn grabbing and slow play in the opening really well. This play is much better than his rating. What should you take from the game?

Taking material is usually good, but if it is a single pawn in the opening, and it comes with the cost of lagging several moves at the start, it might not be worth it. Especially when in order to keep that pawn, you make some non developing moves which weaken you further. That b6 is a perfect example. If your king was already safe or you had your light squared bishop ready to help, that would be another thing, but here it was bad.

I didn't see anything suspicious his opponent also played worse than his rating the only thing he did was trade and check :/ besides rating is performance based anyway why do humans have to be in a box anyway

c124875
Ginoskos wrote:

How is it that there are players on here with a low rating (below 900) who have been here for years—some as far back as 2017—and play with a precision that appears to be much higher than their rating?

As a 600 - 700 elo, random tactical finds, YouTube chess coach

I just somehow find a good tactic/plan sometimes, then blunder so much the other times

nklristic
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
nklristic wrote:
Ginoskos wrote:

For example, this guy just wiped the floor with me. Only 19 games and has been a member since 2023. Destroyed me! Every move was highly calculated and precise.
ddflash30 - Chess Profile - Chess.com

Every time you are suspicious, you should report. That is the only way for unfair players to be banned. I don't want your topic to be closed because of a talk about cheating, so I will concentrate on analyzing this game in order for you to get better, as it seems to me this is your aim.

 

First of all, the opponent played really well. He exploited your pawn grabbing and slow play in the opening really well. This play is much better than his rating. What should you take from the game?

Taking material is usually good, but if it is a single pawn in the opening, and it comes with the cost of lagging several moves at the start, it might not be worth it. Especially when in order to keep that pawn, you make some non developing moves which weaken you further. That b6 is a perfect example. If your king was already safe or you had your light squared bishop ready to help, that would be another thing, but here it was bad.

I didn't see anything suspicious his opponent also played worse than his rating the only thing he did was trade and check :/ besides rating is performance based anyway why do humans have to be in a box anyway

I am generally of the opinion that people are more suspicious than necessary, especially on public forums. I will not comment on how suspicious he is in a more detail because that will close the topic - cheating discussion is not permitted, and for me to be able to give a good opinion, I would have to look his losses and wins, not to just glimpse over his account and analyze one game.

I will only commentate on the play of the opponent here. If you were looking through the game thoroughly and been playing some games against 1000 rated people, I am not sure how you concluded that his opponent played worse than his rating. This type of game can happen, for sure, but it has to be one of the better games 1 000 rated will play.

Opponent used activity by sacrificing a pawn pretty well, developing and making his opponent react to his threats. Qb3 and the OP plays b6 to save a pawn which is incorrect but understandable for 1 000 level player. Then Bc4 threatening f7 pawn with tempo. OP defends but with a sub optimal move, making his play more and more difficult.

Then he exploited a weak color complex to win a piece, and then again he exploits it to have a mating attack. 1 000 rated people are capable of winning in this manner, but it all depends how often does it happen.

That is why I say that talking about someone's account on the forum is not productive, as anyone can accuse anyone. The best is to just report when you are suspicious and see what happens.

AlfalfaBul

Tell Chess.com in your chat box that they are using bots, and see how you start losing game after game.

If you rate the games the opponents play at a thousand points rating higher than the rating bracket they are in...

Just lose, lose, lose till your rating is rubbish.

Chess.com is run by childish dishonest people, and almost every game you play is against a bot, if it isn't against a human friend you know.

The funniest thing is that they are so fond of putting the "keep to the community standards" message up... while they themselves are immoral children not acting at all within tge spirit of Chess.

xor_eax_eax05

Rating on this site means nothing below certain elos. Been 1700-1800 Daily for years on another site.

On this site, Rapid 10+0, half my opponents play 20-40 centipawn loss games, at 900, 800, 700 elo. Players at 700 elo who know enough to maintain a 0.0 score for 20, 30 moves. Same with players at 1300.

It's so weird I've started insta resigning every game where my opponent plays in such a weird way, even if the position is balanced or im better. I dont really care if I drop 300 points, I will not play players this strong at such low rating.

And it's creeping in into Daily too. Here, I've recently resigned all of my Daily games and took a 300+ point hit. Opponents were playing very strong chess for their rating. When I checked some of the games with an engine afterwards, it clearly confirmed that 1000 elo, 1300 elo, and 1500 elo, were all playing at the same strength with almost no inaccuracies in their play.

Players at a rating this low should be learning how to move the pieces, not playing long term positionally, or making just 1 or 2 inaccuracies in a 30 move long game.

These players are not cheaters, and they are not bots. Ive played against engines many times, and post-match-analysed my Daily games for years with Stockfish, and these players dont play like engines.

Some examples from the last few days:

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/132849612171?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/122756299138?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/122735898378?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/132850750743?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/132849612171?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/122756422848?tab=review

Barely any major errors. At 700-800 elo.

Just played a blitz game against a 1300 and it played at 90% accuracy. 0.0 all game. When I offered a draw he refused so I resigned.

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/122782808506?tab=review

I dont really know what's going on in this site.

Then from time to time, you get real 800 elo players, and Im up like 15 points by move 10.

xor_eax_eax05

The other alternative I considered is there is a suspected cheater pool or something like that, and some of us got put in it, so we end up playing against other players regarded as "sus" too, even if they are not actually cheating.

It's very suspicious the "custom" matchmaking option only shows 1 or 2 available games per time control, when the site claims to have 200k concurrent players.

So we may be in a limited pool.

analist76bis

have more fun about game...let cheating away...increase in rating and you will stay in players with 90+ rating almost all games. Even 2100 can pun the queen in direct atack or when is atack not to move it... sometimes they have atention to real life

PS: direct cheeating accusations on forum can be reported. Make reports and then let admins to handle... still..let too much analyse and stay with fun of chess...not chess rating

PS2: when I am drunk I loose 2-300 rating with no problem..and then go back

nklristic
xor_eax_eax05 wrote:

So we may be in a limited pool.

Well, not for outright cheaters, but there is a poor sport pool, as far as I've heard, for people that get thumbs down after a game often, be it for stalling, abandoning games etc which will not get their account closed immediately. I am not sure how it works exactly though, but I think it exists.

HonSec
xor_eax_eax05 wrote:

Rating on this site means nothing below certain elos. Been 1700-1800 Daily for years on another site.

On this site, Rapid 10+0, half my opponents play 20-40 centipawn loss games, at 900, 800, 700 elo. Players at 700 elo who know enough to maintain a 0.0 score for 20, 30 moves. Same with players at 1300.

It's so weird I've started insta resigning every game where my opponent plays in such a weird way, even if the position is balanced or im better. I dont really care if I drop 300 points, I will not play players this strong at such low rating.

And it's creeping in into Daily too. Here, I've recently resigned all of my Daily games and took a 300+ point hit. Opponents were playing very strong chess for their rating. When I checked some of the games with an engine afterwards, it clearly confirmed that 1000 elo, 1300 elo, and 1500 elo, were all playing at the same strength with almost no inaccuracies in their play.

Players at a rating this low should be learning how to move the pieces, not playing long term positionally, or making just 1 or 2 inaccuracies in a 30 move long game.

These players are not cheaters, and they are not bots. Ive played against engines many times, and post-match-analysed my Daily games for years with Stockfish, and these players dont play like engines.

Some examples from the last few days:

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/132849612171?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/122756299138?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/122735898378?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/132850750743?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/132849612171?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/122756422848?tab=review

Barely any major errors. At 700-800 elo.

Just played a blitz game against a 1300 and it played at 90% accuracy. 0.0 all game. When I offered a draw he refused so I resigned.

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/122782808506?tab=review

I dont really know what's going on in this site.

Then from time to time, you get real 800 elo players, and Im up like 15 points by move 10.

What is your evidence that these games are unusual? You mention that your opponent played at 90% accuracy in the blitz game - but so did you, or near enough. When you resigned the evaluation was equal. Why is his level of play atypical for a 1300, but not yours?

Similarly the other games contain a range of scenarios, not all of which are suspicious. Yes, one or two of the opponents played very high level games, but there are also games there where you were very clearly ahead and then blundered. Why is your opponent's level of play suspicious when you were beating them all game, only you blunder a fork and restore things to equality?

analist76bis

you brake the rules of posting on forum...accusing on cheating here and not by oficial reporting. We should not write to you... coould you consider that?

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