Okay admit it, Carlsen Caruana is a borefest.

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I know, I know there will be a lot of replies complete with a lot of attempts at Victorian era upper class snobbery, oh these patzers they don't understand chess, if only they knew even some of the most basic concepts of chess, they would not be able to resist being enthralled like 'we' are, and blah blah blah.

 

However if you are truly enthralled by this match then you need to see somebody. I have seen Grishuk struggle to stay awake during live commentary on the games and basically cross his fingers every game that they agree to a draw early so that he is saved the torture of watching this borefest for hours and hours.

If you truly feel this match is exciting then frankly you are probably the type of a person who would find watching paint dry enthralling.

 

I am not saying there must be no draws, but come on. This is the worst world championship match in history, and the worst pinnacle event in any sport ever.

 

Draws in themselves would not be so bad, but where is the enterprise. Fabiano has the chance to win a pawn today, but he chickens out, plays g3, a few games earlier he played h3 to blow all his chances. This safety first timid approach to the game is shameful, and the less said about Magnus' hasn't even created opportunities to be fair.

 

Where is the enterprise the desire to attack and # your opponent, where are the stunning combinations, the piece sacrifices, the anything that doesn't immediately bore the hell out of the viewer.

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How many posts have you made on this? We get it. You don't like it. Many of us do. In fact the most recent game was probably one of the more exciting. I'm enjoying it.

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I actually find the play fascinating. The analysis by Danny and Robert is very instructive. Granted, a win would be nice but it is definitely entertaining.
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BTW, at this level of play, you won’t see “blinding tactics” “awesome combos” and “stunning sacrifices”. These guys are like two computers... they will play to a draw every time unless a mistake is made.
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JayeshSinhaChess wrote:

Where is the enterprise the desire to attack and # your opponent, where are the stunning combinations, the piece sacrifices, the anything that doesn't immediately bore the hell out of the viewer.

 Just wait for two more draws, then you will get your requirement fulfilled in the following rapid games. 

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If it is such a borefest, then why is it so interesting??

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varelse1 wrote:

If it is such a borefest, then why is it so interesting??

as the op said, you might be a victorian era upper class snob

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Game #10 was extremely complex and entertaining. Sure, the O.P. would be glad to see it going either way because of a blunder, but this just did not happen. And it was not the single entertaining game.

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pfren wrote:

Game #10 was extremely complex and entertaining. Sure, the O.P. would be glad to see it going either way because of a blunder, but this just did not happen. And it was not the single entertaining game.

 

So, if you find these games so interesting and entertaining, then what will happen next week when they play faster chess?

 

You want to see faster chess decide this? Wouldn't it be better to play different openings in classical, and if anything, more classical games?

 

Why determine chess championships based on time and not brains? This blunder you talk about is just waiting to be played. Why ignore this? They didn't blunder in the classical games, but they surely will in the faster games.

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The people who are saying these two guys are like computers are out of their mind. I much rather watch two engines battle it out than this. You can call this kind of chess fascinating, but don't tell me it's exciting chess, because it's not. 

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HawaiiVader wrote:
pfren wrote:

Game #10 was extremely complex and entertaining. Sure, the O.P. would be glad to see it going either way because of a blunder, but this just did not happen. And it was not the single entertaining game.

You want to see faster chess decide this? Wouldn't it be better to play different openings in classical, and if anything, more classical games

Why can't the chess organizers force the players to start at least 2 games with some unusual opening?

Like 1. a3 or 1. f4 or 1. g4, or something similar?  Just to se how these top ranked players would play 'the not so correct openings'?

 The only GM who risked his World Title Chances with an 'unsound opening' or ' unsound opening line' was Paul KERES. He is still fondly remembered for his risktaking in that particular game. But perhaps Robert FISCHER was right when he declared, that the opening lines in modern chess too much decides the outcome for the whole game. Hence why he lost interest in such chess, and invented Chess960.

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Maybe they should introduce 2 or 4 games of fischer960 in case of a draw before moving to blitz format.

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Maybe we should go back to watching cat videos 

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The current match is a massive improvement on Carlsen v Karjakin. Carlsen is to be praised for playing the Sicilian Defence, not his fault that Caruana plays wimp lines as white. At least we have been spared any Berlin Walls.

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No one is forcing you to watch. The Danny Robert feed has been #1 at times on twitch. Apparently more than a few people are enjoying the match. And the numbers have not been coming down as the match progresses.

I have a problem with the match, but it is the tie-break system.

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ventudius wrote:

The people who are saying these two guys are like computers are out of their mind. I much rather watch two engines battle it out than this. You can call this kind of chess fascinating, but don't tell me it's exciting chess, because it's not. 

at least the engines had lots of wins and losses against each other check out TCEC Houdini Komodo StockFish all of them lost games to each other.

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This match has been very good. It is not a borefest and wins are not needed to make it interesting.

 

The quality/entertainment value of the games would not have changed if Carlsen wins in game 1, and Caruana converts his own winning position. Had it been 1 win a piece what would have changed. We still go into game 11 tied.

 

The games have resulted in many instructive endgames/positions, and have been a delight for any avid chess player (especially because of the quality live analysis). Yes Carlsen and Caruana sometimes have not gone the full on super aggressive approach, but why should they? These are the two best chess players in the world, playing on the biggest chess stage. Its easy for people at home to critisize the moves, but you cant fault the players. For example, when Caruana played h3, he did it because the position is very double edged. The computer may say that the position is winning if h3 is not played, but Caruana obviously calculated some lines and saw something he did not like. The resulting positions were better for him. Usually in chess its better to play it safe with a good position then risk that position where you could easily turn a very strong position into a losing one. Caruana probably did not realize the strength of Qe8 and its defensive (and offensive) capabilities. He probably assumed he had time for a prophylactic move since black's king safety is a static weakness (he cant move the pawns back.

 

Grishuk gets tired/bored because he is watching the same game for 4+ hours and is forced to analyse it. He would prefer if the game is not interesting to analyse for it to be finished. This is subjective, certain positions for super GMs are dull while for other players are rich with detail. Also keep in mind the time difference, the game goes on into the evening hours in Russia (and its not like he has eaten dinner). I am also pretty sure he is not compensated by the hour (or maybe even at all).

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I ain't gotta admit nothin'. It's been fun for me to watch some good fighting chess between the best in the world. And I should point out that they're not playing for the viewers and therefore shouldn't be held to the artificial excitement standards of some nobody on the internet. The only interest they're beholden to is trying to win/trying not to lose (mostly a problem of the match being too short).

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I agree, I would like to see more decisive games, but as my name states, these guys play at such a high level (engine help or not) it is mind boggling at how accurately they play over the board. With 2 2830+ players playing (with only 3 rating point dividing them), do you REALLY expect one to overpower the other? Game on, BRING ON THE BLITZ!