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How do they do it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q&noredirect=1

Theres the link for the video of the insane amount of actions per minute a korean does in starcraft. Could someone please help me and explain how they can type so fast. Thanks. Also, is this a good build order for Protoss? It's a zealot rush I found

 

9 - Pylon

10 - 2 probes (CB)

12 - Gateway (at 150 minerals, may be before 12)

12 - 2 probes (CB)

13 – Gateway #2

16 - 2nd Pylon

16 – Zealot (CB)

18 – Gateway #3 (note: I go 3 gate for the Zealot push, as I find that is what I can afford to saturate up to ~50 supply)

18 – Zealot #2

20+ - Every gateway should be building a Zealot at all times, no exceptions. Every CB from here on out should be used on Zealots (use them wisely, the building that can take advantage of the full CB). When you have 50 spare minerals, build a probe. NO GAS. Remember, 3x Zealots = 6 supply, build Pylons frequently (Generally ~ 2 at 24, and one around 36-38).

30-35 – Early push, requires a little more micro to achieve and you will not break a Terran wall as quickly.

45 – 50 – Push out with your Zealots. When you leave your base, put up your Cybernetics Core and get your first gas, 3 probes on it. Research Warpgate when the Core finishes, and build another Gateway. You are now a standard 4 gate.

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Come on. No one wanna reply?

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Come on. No one wanna reply?

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I'm not a korean but I can do better than that with Terran. BTW, move this to the off topic thread and you might get more answers.

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btw, mvtjc this is a protoss build, not a terran build. Unless your saying you can counter it?

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werdada wrote:

btw, mvtjc this is a protoss build, not a terran build. Unless your saying you can counter it?

Yep that's what I said. terran(with stimpack)+medic > zealot rush

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That doesnt look right as a build. The numbers are supposed to be pop, right? 12 - 2 probes doesnt make a lot of sense to me.

Well, I havent played in awhile, may start up again now that the Swarm expansion is out. I got to gold with Protoss, rarely 4 gated. I did some crazy stuff usually, trying strange tactics, it was fun. 

When it came to APM, I found I was almost always less, far less sometimes, than my opponent, whether I won or lost it didnt much matter. At first it worried me, after a while I took it as a point of pride that I could win while doing less. I suspect a lot was BS, because you could see some insane high APm in the first couple of minutes....wtf do you need high APM for in the first minute of the game?

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How about this build then?

  • 9 pylon
  • 2 chrono boosts on probes
  • 13 gate, scout with probe
  • 14 assimilator
  • Chrono probes again
  • 16 pylon
  • 17/18 core
  • 19 zealot
  • Warpgate research (Chrono)
  • Stalker (Chrono)

 

It's an expansion type build

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werdada wrote:

How about this build then?

9 pylon 2 chrono boosts on probes 13 gate, scout with probe 14 assimilator Chrono probes again 16 pylon 17/18 core 19 zealot Warpgate research (Chrono) Stalker (Chrono)

 

It's an expansion type build

Ok now I get it. CB = chrono boost. Told ya it was a long time! Yeah that build makes sense. 

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Ok. Thanks. Also, did you do a lot of apm spam? Because that seems to be what players do to boost their apm to ridiculous levels like 300+. 

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I play terran, so can't comment on the toss build.

Have you seen the custom keys/keyboards they sometimes use?  Also there's a lot of cycling through... nexus, production buildings, army, probe, look at supply, look at mini map, repeat etc.  Something like that, Day9 goes over it.  So basically it's a lot of unnecessary spamming... except that their reaction time is nearly instant.  e.g. when a probe finishes they immediately start another so no wasted resources in queuing.  When supply is close to max or army encounters enemy same thing, nearly instant appropriate response.

It's not hard to have 300 apm... it's very hard to have 300 apm and play effecitvely though Laughing

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You watch day9? I like to watch HuskyStarcraft on youtube just because of how he goes over replays and explains all the strategies the players are doing even though they go really fast. However, I was wondering if I could get some more replays. Do you know a good site to find SC2 replays with professional players just so I can see their strategies? I know twitch.tv but can't find any truly professional players. 

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werdada wrote:

Ok. Thanks. Also, did you do a lot of apm spam? Because that seems to be what players do to boost their apm to ridiculous levels like 300+. 

No, thats my point. I had far far less APM than almost anyone I played, whether I won or lost. I forget what my APM was, usually something like 30 or 40 I think. Anyway, it was lower than my opponent about 95% of the time.

And yes, Day9 was awesome. Funny and entertaining. Does he still do his schtick?

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Ubik42 wrote:
werdada wrote:

Ok. Thanks. Also, did you do a lot of apm spam? Because that seems to be what players do to boost their apm to ridiculous levels like 300+. 

No, thats my point. I had far far less APM than almost anyone I played, whether I won or lost. I forget what my APM was, usually something like 30 or 40 I think. Anyway, it was lower than my opponent about 95% of the time.

And yes, Day9 was awesome. Funny and entertaining. Does he still do his schtick?

I think Day9 is less popular than he used to be. I think starcraft players are more focused on players like idrA who rage quits alot. I also like to see some of the replays of Huk on youtube.

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werdada wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:
werdada wrote:

Ok. Thanks. Also, did you do a lot of apm spam? Because that seems to be what players do to boost their apm to ridiculous levels like 300+. 

No, thats my point. I had far far less APM than almost anyone I played, whether I won or lost. I forget what my APM was, usually something like 30 or 40 I think. Anyway, it was lower than my opponent about 95% of the time.

And yes, Day9 was awesome. Funny and entertaining. Does he still do his schtick?

I think Day9 is less popular than he used to be. I think starcraft players are more focused on players like idrA who rage quits alot. I also like to see some of the replays of Huk on youtube.

Yeah there was a mispelled idra quote that became a sort of meme...forget what it was now. I suspected he was being thespian in order to drum up money for tournaments. Otherwise, it would be hard to believe someone could be such a monumental jerk.

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Haha, found an image of idrA raging. He's sort of known in the community for dissing other players and rage


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Sorry for bad quality, btw

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werdada wrote:

You watch day9? I like to watch HuskyStarcraft on youtube just because of how he goes over replays and explains all the strategies the players are doing even though they go really fast. However, I was wondering if I could get some more replays. Do you know a good site to find SC2 replays with professional players just so I can see their strategies? I know twitch.tv but can't find any truly professional players. 

Well I haven't watched him (or played SCII) in a while.  But I think Day9 was the most knowledgeable... even if he goes off on weird/funny stories often.  I haven't watched much of Husky, I know he's very popular too.

What made me really like Day9 was in one video he was talking about fundamentals, and if you're doing these basic things well then you're probably a diamond player already.  And that really stuck out to me because I think chess is the same way.

Anyway he talked about things like supply, queing, your economy (never stop building probes / production build count / stuff like that), and even having a basic plan (idea of what you'll do to transition into mid and late game) and if you do this right consistently you'll win at the sub diamond level just because you "have more stuff" regardless of army composition or special build order.

And some of the trade offs I found very interesting... e.g. you find yourself with 300 minerals... well that could have been a gateway and 3 probes if you hadn't slipped up.  Or on build orders, you skip a zealot here to add an assimilater there or something.  Or you have 400 gas fairly early, well that could have been more minerals, you obviously didn't need 3 in gas, or it could have been extra army units because you could have even cut probe production if your idea is to rush.

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Ubik42 wrote:
werdada wrote:

Ok. Thanks. Also, did you do a lot of apm spam? Because that seems to be what players do to boost their apm to ridiculous levels like 300+. 

No, thats my point. I had far far less APM than almost anyone I played, whether I won or lost. I forget what my APM was, usually something like 30 or 40 I think. Anyway, it was lower than my opponent about 95% of the time.

And yes, Day9 was awesome. Funny and entertaining. Does he still do his schtick?

Yeah, it'd amaze me to watch a reply and some guy has 90 apm... what the hell he was one of the worst players... oh he sends his units 10 times every time lol.

Supposedly anything above ~70 is just extra and you could be a pro with under 100 amp easily.