YOUR IQ compared to" World Chess Champion" Garry Kasparov ..

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MsJean
trysts wrote:

Moram pronaći nit je danas, koja govori o otmicama izvanzemaljaca...


unfair again!

Elroch
Jazzist wrote:
Elroch wrote:

In my opinion, intelligence is not a 1-dimensional thing. [An analogy would be a 3-dimensional object which we try to describe by its width in a particular direction]. So any IQ test can only give some sort of combined statistic and can be very misleading with respect to more specialised types of intelligence (such as the ability to play chess well, for which you could have an analogy of IQ just by transforming a rating scale), and particularly abilities which involve much more complex combinations of abilities (such as doing groundbreaking scientific research, for example).


A more suitable analogy would be using the volume of the object to describe its dimensions. If you take all objects, man-made or not, there will be a pretty decent correlation between volume and width, length and height, respectively, and also between the different dimension parameters.

You seem to imply that humans have different cognitive abilities that would all fall under the general category intelligence, and that these abilities are independent of each other. This does not seem to be the case, as all these abilities (such as memory, verbal ability, spatial ability etc) are correlated on a statistical level. The basis for this correlation is the general intelligence, according to intelligence theory, and this is what IQ tests that only give a single IQ score intends to measure.

If we return to your objects, volume would correspond to this general intelligence and width, length and height would correspond to e.g. working memory, verbal ability and spatial ability. Sure, volume does not perfectly predict length, width or heigth, but objects of greater volume will in most cases be longer, wider and higher than objects of lesser volume. And all people with high IQ will not have a better spatial ability than people with low IQ, but in the majority of cases, they will have a better spatial ability.


It is no more accurate to think of intelligence as 1-dimensional as it is to think of fitness as 1-dimensional. The reason that the analogy of IQ to one linear dimension of multidimensional intelligence is better than the analogy to volume is mathematical. IQ tests use a linear sum of the scores in the test to determine a single number. Each question can clearly only measure one dimension of the multidimensional space of intelligence (using a large number of ways to measure it, say), so any linear sum of them can also only determine a single dimension in the space. If IQs were defined a product of the results of several tests, the analogy of a volume might be more appropriate, but it would still only give a small part of the information, like describing a 3-dimensional space by its volume rather than its shape.

It is frustrating when people use the sort of sloppy thinking that says "A and B are correlated, therefore they can be considered to be the same thing". Correlation does not mean this. For example, age and height are strongly correlated for young people (much more so than some different sorts of intelligence), so presumably you would say that it is best to think of height and age as being a single thing? I certainly would not. Another quite strong correlation is between height and weight. See the point? Correlations are of interest, but they do not mean that you can think of things as 1-dimensional.

trysts
MsJean wrote:
trysts wrote:

Moram pronaći nit je danas, koja govori o otmicama izvanzemaljaca...


unfair again!


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I was just hoping for an "alien abduction" thread to pop up today!Laughing

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trysts
LordNazgul wrote:
trysts wrote:

Moram pronaći nit je danas, koja govori o otmicama izvanzemaljaca...


Ja sam vise zainteresovan za one providne carape. 


You have a one-track mind, LordAtosLaughing

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oinquarki
trysts wrote:
LordNazgul wrote:
trysts wrote:

Moram pronaći nit je danas, koja govori o otmicama izvanzemaljaca...


Ja sam vise zainteresovan za one providne carape. 


You have a one-track mind, LordAtos


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MsJean

and when you speak so I cant understand its rude!

d4e4

Tut...tut...Cool

DrSpudnik

Money mouth + Frown = Yell

Marasume

I missed 2 so it says I should have a IQ of 142. I am ok with that.

mrguy888
EZap wrote:

i look at those questions and my head spins...

add this one... If you are in a room with a 2 headed man, one head always tells the truth and the other always lies and you dont know which head is which. in the room there are 2 doors, one door is instant death for you and the other is instant riches-you must ask one of the heads ONE QUESTION to figure out which door to pick. What is the question you ask.


Which door would the other head tell you is the riches door? The lying head would know that the truth head would tell you the correct door and tell you the wrong door. The truth head would know the lying head would tell you the wrong door and will tell you the wrong door. Either way you go through the door other than the door the head you ask tells you is the door that the other head would tell you is the riches door.

Alternitively you could just peek or force the two headed monster to go through the door and report back to you. A two headed monster would probably not be coordinated enough to fight back.

CharacterZero

So how was Einstein in playing chess? Did he..?

TylerB747

In my haste I missed #5. I saw 3, 5, 8, 13 and immediately assumed it was fibonacci-based.

trysts
CharacterZero wrote:

So how was Einstein in playing chess? Did he..?


http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/was-albert-einstein-a-very-good-chess-player

CharacterZero
trysts wrote:
CharacterZero wrote:

So how was Einstein in playing chess? Did he..?


http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/was-albert-einstein-a-very-good-chess-player


Thankyou, pretty interesting stuff there.

jim995

Normally IQ tests are longer. Also, I don't think they're too accurate either, in general.

Also ,there could be other possible answers. For #3, Venus may be acceptable since the others are all gods(Starun=Kronos, the rest pretty self-explanatory) , while she's a goddess. And for #6, I haven't even heard of some of the people listed there, so I was in no osition to judge.

Jazzist
Elroch wrote:

It is no more accurate to think of intelligence as 1-dimensional as it is to think of fitness as 1-dimensional. The reason that the analogy of IQ to one linear dimension of multidimensional intelligence is better than the analogy to volume is mathematical. IQ tests use a linear sum of the scores in the test to determine a single number. Each question can clearly only measure one dimension of the multidimensional space of intelligence (using a large number of ways to measure it, say), so any linear sum of them can also only determine a single dimension in the space. If IQs were defined a product of the results of several tests, the analogy of a volume might be more appropriate, but it would still only give a small part of the information, like describing a 3-dimensional space by its volume rather than its shape.

It is frustrating when people use the sort of sloppy thinking that says "A and B are correlated, therefore they can be considered to be the same thing". Correlation does not mean this. For example, age and height are strongly correlated for young people (much more so than some different sorts of intelligence), so presumably you would say that it is best to think of height and age as being a single thing? I certainly would not. Another quite strong correlation is between height and weight. See the point? Correlations are of interest, but they do not mean that you can think of things as 1-dimensional.


Let's put the analogies aside as they do little to clarify the subject.

Performance on different measurable human cognitive abilities are correlated, as shown first by Charles Spearman. A high level of verbal performance correlates with a high level of spatial performance. This is true on a statistical level, and in most individuals as well, but there are of course many individuals that have wide differences in performance on different tasks. Using factor analysis, a statistical method, on tests with multiple items that test different aspects of human cognitive functioning, a common factor can be derived. This factor is one-dimensional.

According to the general intelligence theory, the basis for this correlation is general intelligence, and the factor that can be derived is called "g". IQ-tests are designed to measure "g", but as "g" in itself can not be directly measured, all IQ-tests will correlate with "g" only to a certain degree. Good tests, such as WAIS-III and WAIS-IV and similar tests show a correlation to "g" of about r=0.9, which is a very high degree of correlation. The theory therefore implies that these tests are a good measure of the factor called general intelligence.

The practical value of the general intelligence theory is that IQ has consistently been shown to predict academic and job performance, as well as many other life outcomes. Whether we accept IQ as an indicator of intelligence or not, it clearly has a good predictive value for many positive life outcomes. There is extremely robust evidence for this.

The most prominent rival theory is Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. He originaly stated that there are seven or eight different intelligences, and IQ tests only measure a few of them but ignore the others. This seem to be something along the lines of what you suggest.

This theory may be attractive, but has little scientific support. To date, no test has been developed that measure these abilities that does not also correlate with "g". A correlation with "g" for these tests, invalidate them as it implies that "g" is important in determining these "intelligences". To prove this theory, it must be shown that these abilities does not correlate with "g". This has yet to be shown.

As far as I know, there is no empirical support that any of the multiple intelligences, or aptitudes, offers a better prediction model than "g" for various life outcomes.

There are also other, less well-known theories of intelligences. The general intelligence theory is widely accepted by a great majority of professionals and scientists, and to challenge this theory you will have to come up with better arguments than you have presented so far.

MsJean
LordNazgul wrote:
MsJean wrote:

and when you speak so I cant understand its rude!


Well, you are a young girly who has been on the site for a couple of weeks. Why would you think that a conversation is rude if you don't understand it ?


Pardon me LordNazgul . I was taught that in company it was rude to speak with your mouth full. That would include food and or words that others might not comprehend.

The content of the conversation is not in question at all, Lord Nazgul. No I agree with you in this regard. It is the delivery of the conversation to the group. If you need privacy. Erik has designed a fantastik e mail for all of us.

Please feel free to have one to one conversations there. When the group meets as in the case of this forum...It would be courteous to all players. If they could be included in the coversation. 

If not I would consider that ACT of exclusion ...to be rude.................

Conquistador

I do not understand what is above everybody's comprehension.