Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)
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Optimissed wrote:
The World has gone mad and not the people who try to maintain normality. You are helping to cause and maintain the madness by buying into the climate of fear wholesale.
That's a perfectly valid viewpoint. JUST as legitimate and reasonable as yours, because you do not understand that you're causing harm with all this paranoid talk. IMBacon is the same.
And your attitude to disagreement is merely censorship and an attack on freedom of expression. There's no excuse for that and you can only justify it through the assumption that yours is the only viewpoint which is valid and correct.
That's a perfectly valid viewpoint. JUST as legitimate and reasonable as yours, because you do not understand that you're causing harm with all this paranoid talk. IMBacon is the same.
And your attitude to disagreement is merely censorship and an attack on freedom of expression. There's no excuse for that and you can only justify it through the assumption that yours is the only viewpoint which is valid and correct.
That's a lot of talking without much content. Nothing I said had anything to do with fear. Where fear comes in is from people like you, that try to pass off your (quite pedestrian and non-scientific) notions of "well, I don't see the problem and everything will probably be fine, so just go on and ignore it like me".
If someone steps out of the way of an oncoming bus, are they afraid of buses, or just smart? When the metaphorical bus is microscopic and invisible, smart people still know to step aside...dumb people don't perceive a problem anymore. Apparently, about 1/3rd of the world is dumb at this point.
Optimissed wrote:
The fear itself is far more damaging than the object of the fear.
A fluffy statement borne out of fear of losing the status quo 
...but, I agree.
Fear of worldwide economic collapse (not happening), government conspiracies (not happening), and medical science in general are far more damaging and propagating this pandemic, when it could have been handled by now if people weren't reacting like spooked cattle to every disruption to their daily routines.
"But masks will lead to a police state!"
"Vaccines might have side effects!"
"We have to resist this power grab by...a virus? No, wait, by the people protecting us from the virus!"
The article I posted about Texas and Florida having 40% of the hospitalizations now prove this exact point. The two states that are most resistant to following any measures are the ones that are completely fubar at this point. Hard data doesn't lie.
Aug 13, 2021
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I am scared if I get vaxxed its gonna hurt me... I have gotten vaxxed multiple times and don't like getting poked on my skin with needles...
Well tbh my parents are anti-vaxxers so it's not like I have a choice lol
Aug 13, 2021
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IMBacon wrote:
I grew up getting allergy shots every week. Needles are nothing for me.
Um what... so they used to put things into your arms and stuff every week?
Aug 13, 2021
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#2790
Needles in the arm are nothing if done by a pro and for good reason.
Aug 13, 2021
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ChampoftheCommieCamp wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
I grew up getting allergy shots every week. Needles are nothing for me.
Um what... so they used to put things into your arms and stuff every week?
Back in the "olden days" when you were tested for allergies, they did a scratch test. They put 75 scratches on my back, and then placed a drop of possible allergens on each scratch (animal hair, pollen, grass, ragweed, dust, dander, etc.). I was allergic to 74 of the 75 possible allergens. So weekly allergy shots it was.
But considering i have had open heart surgery, broken my arm and had to have it rebroken (no pain killers), hit by a car, fallen off a roof. Needles were the least of my concerns. I just call it a typical childhood.
Aug 13, 2021
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Is it mostly gone by now though... or did you move into a better place without the allergens
Aug 13, 2021
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ChampoftheCommieCamp wrote:
Is it mostly gone by now though... or did you move into a better place without the allergens
When i turned 18 i decided i had had enough with shots. MY allergy doctor advised against it, but since i was 18 it was my decision. He advised that if im going to do this. Make sure i buy OTC allergy medicine and caffeine pills to counteract the drowsiness. So i lived on allerest, and caffeine pills for a couple years, and then eventually outgrew the allergies for the most part. I do still have some issues when spring starts, but nothing major.
This is a club for the initiated and not a discussion. On the assumption that it might become a discussion, is it possible that whether or not someone dies from Covid is all in the mind? If that were the case then not masks but physical exercise and meditation would be the answer.
Optimissed wrote:
This is a club for the initiated and not a discussion. On the assumption that it might become a discussion, is it possible that whether or not someone dies from Covid is all in the mind? If that were the case then not masks but physical exercise and meditation would be the answer.
No, it cannot be that dying of Covid-19 is all in the mind. Lay off the drugs .
H-i-s-t-o-r-y wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
This is a club for the initiated and not a discussion. On the assumption that it might become a discussion, is it possible that whether or not someone dies from Covid is all in the mind? If that were the case then not masks but physical exercise and meditation would be the answer.
I agree with your first sentence but by now there is nothing to discuss.
The resultant data from a year and half of this is far from precise but there is really only one logical result of summarizing the whole of it. The vaccine works better than not having a vaccine. No matter how you mash the numbers or which source you use, other than ridiculous antivaxxers like Mercola or Kennedy or CHD, the results clearly show a lower fatality rate and a lower overall number of serious cases among people who are vaccinated. Any other suggestion has no basis in fact.
If by "club for the initiated" he meant "discussion limited to serious and informed (or at the very least trying to become informed) participants", then I would agree, though the usage of "club" and "initiated" are off.
btickler wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
This is a club for the initiated and not a discussion. On the assumption that it might become a discussion, is it possible that whether or not someone dies from Covid is all in the mind? If that were the case then not masks but physical exercise and meditation would be the answer.
No, it cannot be that dying of Covid-19 is all in the mind. Lay off the drugs .
So it's not a discussion group or, if it is, people have to say what you tell them to say. Unfortunately I don't think that's "discussion" in the fullest sense of the word so perhaps your thread title is in error.
Had my 2nd. pfizer shot yesterday. Except for a slightly sore arm, no side effects.